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[aesmith]

I wonder if the reason for Plusnet dropping the supply of the 40/10 product was planned because they may be soon supplying the 55/10 product?

If I understand correctly Plusnet never used 40/10, they used to supply a 40/20 service which they provisioned by buying 80/20 from BTW/OR and then applying their own capping to the download speed to create the 40/20.

[jelv]

Yes, that's why I said it was bonkers. Paying BTw 80/20 price while charging the customer significantly less than they charged their genuine 80/20 customers.

[roseway]

Edit - I may be talking nonsense, which isn't unusual

It looks as though I'm on the new network now:

root@nuthatch:/home/eric# traceroute -I ntp.plus.net
traceroute to ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  home.gateway.home.gateway (192.168.1.254)  0.550 ms  0.551 ms  0.941 ms
 2  195.166.130.194 (195.166.130.194)  19.725 ms  19.736 ms  19.744 ms
 3  irb.14.ptw-cr01.plus.net (84.93.249.65)  11.719 ms  11.727 ms  11.726 ms
 4  ae2.ptw-cr02.plus.net (195.166.129.5)  11.725 ms  11.733 ms  12.124 ms
 5  po2.ptw-gw02.plus.net (195.166.129.39)  12.506 ms  12.509 ms  12.927 ms
 6  * * *
 7  ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50)  10.969 ms  10.370 ms  10.375 ms
root@nuthatch:/home/eric#

In my case it was quite seamless. A couple of nights ago I noticed that, according to http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway I'd been moved from ptw-bng01 to pcl-ag03, and the above traceroute resulted.

[gt94sss2]

The wholesale costs of a port from Openreach are:

Code: [Select]

Openreach product Monthly wholesale cost (ex. VAT)
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 40/2 £6.90
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 40/10 £7.40
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 55/10 £8.40
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 80/20 £9.95
GEA-FTTP 110/15         £13.15
GEA-FTTP 220/20         £15.61
GEA-FTTP 320/30         £29.61

[HPsauce]

Sorry to appear dumb, but what element of the gateway or tracert tells you you are on the new WBMC network?
I am:

currently connected to gateway pcl-bng03. This is located in City Lifeline House.

And:
Tracing route to ntp.plus.net [212.159.13.49] over a maximum of 30 hops:
  1     3 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254]
  2     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms  lo0.10.central12.pcl-bng03.plus.net [195.166.130.166]
  3     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  irb.12.pcl-cr02.plus.net [84.93.249.114]
  4     9 ms    10 ms     9 ms  po2.pcl-gw02.plus.net [195.166.129.43]
  5     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  cdns01.plus.net [212.159.13.49]

[Al1264]

It looks as though I'm on the new network now:

root@nuthatch:/home/eric# traceroute -I ntp.plus.net
traceroute to ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  home.gateway.home.gateway (192.168.1.254)  0.550 ms  0.551 ms  0.941 ms
 2  195.166.130.194 (195.166.130.194)  19.725 ms  19.736 ms  19.744 ms
 3  irb.14.ptw-cr01.plus.net (84.93.249.65)  11.719 ms  11.727 ms  11.726 ms
 4  ae2.ptw-cr02.plus.net (195.166.129.5)  11.725 ms  11.733 ms  12.124 ms
 5  po2.ptw-gw02.plus.net (195.166.129.39)  12.506 ms  12.509 ms  12.927 ms
 6  * * *
 7  ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50)  10.969 ms  10.370 ms  10.375 ms
root@nuthatch:/home/eric#

In my case it was quite seamless. A couple of nights ago I noticed that, according to http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway I'd been moved from ptw-bng01 to pcl-ag03, and the above traceroute resulted.

I don't think that's the new network TBH, 195.166.130.194 is in the range of the typical existing gateways, it's just missing its rDNS.

[renluop]

+1 HPSauce's query above.

[jelv]

@roseway

If you are on dedicated then you will see a hop with a private IP eg 172.17.xx

[Chrysalis]

As I Said on the plusnet forums, the 2 give away's are.

1 - A new hop with lower latency indicating you are hitting a entry point nearer to you (as is on BT retail).
2 - First external hop on a ip with no RDNS.  As these managed dedicated services the pattern seems they dont want to bother with reverse dns.

Calling it a new network might be a bit of a stretch, the actual plusnet network is probably the same, the bit that is changed is in how they interact with BT wholesale.

[Al1264]

Calling it a new network might be a bit of a stretch, the actual plusnet network is probably the same, the bit that is changed is in how they interact with BT wholesale.

'Network with a little new bit' 

[jelv]

2 - First external hop on a ip with no RDNS.  As these managed dedicated services the pattern seems they dont want to bother with reverse dns.

The problem with saying that is that Plusnet have been shockingly bad recently at setting up the RDNS for new end points (see http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,134822.0.html - there's end points that have been live for months which still haven't been properly configured). That why Kitz's definition is the correct one to use:

@roseway

If you are on dedicated then you will see a hop with a private IP eg 172.17.xx

[kitz]

Yes, that's why I said it was bonkers. Paying BTw 80/20 price while charging the customer significantly less than they charged their genuine 80/20 customers.

Because they were using 80/20 to provision 40Mb, its why I said price differential of £3 and a potential saving of 75k per month if they could get half of their users to downgrade to the 40/10 product. 
Judging by what Ive seen they were quite successful in getting people - particularly those not in the know and those that arent aware - to renew their package.   They seemed to be on an all-out campaign to get anyone who was on 40/20 to 'downgrade' knowing that the average man in the street doesnt look at the upload.

[kitz]

Edit - I may be talking nonsense, which isn't unusual

It looks as though I'm on the new network now:

root@nuthatch:/home/eric# traceroute -I ntp.plus.net
traceroute to ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  home.gateway.home.gateway (192.168.1.254)  0.550 ms  0.551 ms  0.941 ms
 2  195.166.130.194 (195.166.130.194)  19.725 ms  19.736 ms  19.744 ms
 3  irb.14.ptw-cr01.plus.net (84.93.249.65)  11.719 ms  11.727 ms  11.726 ms
 4  ae2.ptw-cr02.plus.net (195.166.129.5)  11.725 ms  11.733 ms  12.124 ms
 5  po2.ptw-gw02.plus.net (195.166.129.39)  12.506 ms  12.509 ms  12.927 ms
 6  * * *
 7  ntp.plus.net (212.159.13.50)  10.969 ms  10.370 ms  10.375 ms
root@nuthatch:/home/eric#

In my case it was quite seamless. A couple of nights ago I noticed that, according to http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway I'd been moved from ptw-bng01 to pcl-ag03, and the above traceroute resulted.

Im with Al1264, that doesnt look like dedicated Im afraid.

Sorry to appear dumb, but what element of the gateway or tracert tells you you are on the new WBMC network?
I am:

currently connected to gateway pcl-bng03. This is located in City Lifeline House.

And:
Tracing route to ntp.plus.net [212.159.13.49] over a maximum of 30 hops:
  1     3 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254]
  2     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms  lo0.10.central12.pcl-bng03.plus.net [195.166.130.166]
  3     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  irb.12.pcl-cr02.plus.net [84.93.249.114]
  4     9 ms    10 ms     9 ms  po2.pcl-gw02.plus.net [195.166.129.43]
  5     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  cdns01.plus.net [212.159.13.49]

The gateway isnt the giveaway, you need to be looking at the routing prior to the the gateway.

+1 HPSauce's query above.

Sorry if I was a bit brief with "If you are on dedicated then you will see a hop with a private IP eg 172.17.xx" although that is the most obvious.

The full signs which give it away are in this post I made on the 6th of Jan

What you are looking for is an ICMP response somewhere in the 6/7/8 ms region (if you aren't interleaved) as this is the average time for the majority of lines to be able to reach one of the Interconnect nodes. 
You are also very likely to see the BTw Interconnect routers listed as a hop, but these usually dont respond to ICMP.
As well as the 172.x address at the Interconnect node, you will also probably see a 172.x address at the place of exit off the core which will take a few ms more, but be about the same time or within 1ms as the gateway hop.
I know the above description is vague, but its more about the timings and at the moment the 172.x private addresses.   This could change because they could later assign a proper address to those 172.x hops.

[kitz]

The wholesale costs of a port from Openreach are:

Code: [Select]

Openreach product Monthly wholesale cost (ex. VAT)
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 40/2 £6.90
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 40/10 £7.40
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 55/10 £8.40
GEA-FTTC and GEA-FTTP 80/20 £9.95
GEA-FTTP 110/15         £13.15
GEA-FTTP 220/20         £15.61
GEA-FTTP 320/30         £29.61

Thank you for that.  Although those are the GEA connection port costs it does perhaps give an indication of what region the WBC/WMBC components could be.

GEA port costs are those made to the likes of the LLU providers such as Sky and TT who connect to the OLT at the exchange.
WBC/WMBC both use the BTw backhaul (exchange -> Interconnect) and according to the latest BTw price list are:

Standard EU Rental (FTTC 40Mbps Downstream, 2Mbps Upstream)   Month   £13.00
Standard EU Rental (FTTC 40Mbps Downstream, 10Mbps Upstream)   Month   £14.00
Standard EU Rental (FTTC 80Mbps Downstream, 20Mbps Upstream)   Month   £16.00

I'd therefore make a guess that 55/10 would come in at £15.00.

[burakkucat]

The ticket which I have had open since July 2016 . . .

Something niggled when I first read the above phrase and it has only just dawned on me -- as we are currently in January 2016 (as of the date of this post) then July 2016 is still in the future! Hence I presume the above should read July 2015.