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Just to add the times I've seen an 88% IP profile they were on a retransmission high profile which is usually 91-92%.

Looking at the numbers, that may be the case with my line.  Is there any way that the retransmission high profile can be changed?

Just to add the times I've seen an 88% IP profile they were on a retransmission high profile which is usually 91-92%.

Just "upgraded" my Technicolor TG582N to a TG588v v2.

The 582 did NAT loopback but I can't seem to get the 588 to "play ball". Is it possible?

TIA - Keef

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If I've understood your problem correctly, have a look at the Mozilla Support Forum (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201406).  There is a conflict between what Google thinks is secure and what Thunderbird thinks is secure.  If you are happy that TBird is OK after reading the link, you need to edit your settings in Google as suggested.  I have been connecting to GMail through Thunderbird with the altered settings ever since the problem first appeared and have had no untoward events.

I composed the following before reading Postal’s helpful link, but sending anyway as I don’t think it contradicts (quite the opposite)....

....I used Thunderbird on my Mac Mini for google mail, that worked well with nice and easy App specific passwords (so no 2sv) and I don’t remember it being too difficult.   Unfortunately I stopped using that set up two years ago when I upgraded to a new iMac so, in that time, either Google or Mozilla may have made it more awkward.

iOS mail set up for Google is remarkably painless these days, verging on too good to be true.   It just asks for the main google account password at account setup, then works forever more on that device, with no need for 2sv codes.    Istr reading that Google and Apple had to co-operate in some way to make that work securely, and still can’t remember exactly how it does work.   I do feel a bit uneasy about having ‘lost’ the App specific password control, but despite their many faults I personally think both Google and Apple can be trusted in their judgement of what makes good security.

It is very rare that I login to Google via a browser or any App other than Mail but when I do, I tend to get alerts emails telling me that I have done so (or failed in doing so).

I've only just got around to looking at this, after she had another alert yesterday.  And I must admit I'd forgotten that I'd started this thread. 

So testing with my dummy account the first thing I found is that Thunderbird really doesn't want to let you edit passwords, they're well hidden.  What it really wants to do is connect to Gmail as a browser, let you login and remember the password that you used.   Second thing I found was that even in the well hidden dialogue box to edit email passwords the Google App Password doesn't work, either entered as displayed with spaces between the groups or as a single 16 character string.   On the other hand if I humour it and let it login via the web page, with the two factor verification, it seems to hang onto it's authentication.   It's certainly persistent after starting and stopping Thunderbird quite a few times.

Similar situation really with the Iphone, except in that case it seems simply impossible to edit passwords for email accounts.  They don't appear anywhere.  And again going through that web login and verification it appears to have generated a persistent authorisation of some sort.  I've not tested that after a shutdown yet.

Any comments?   I want to get this fairly bombproof before I inflict it on the missus.  On the other hand it is concerning to keep receiving these alerts implying that "someone" may be trying to login with her password so I don't want to just get in the habit of blindly ignoring those.

If I've understood your problem correctly, have a look at the Mozilla Support Forum (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201406).  There is a conflict between what Google thinks is secure and what Thunderbird thinks is secure.  If you are happy that TBird is OK after reading the link, you need to edit your settings in Google as suggested.  I have been connecting to GMail through Thunderbird with the altered settings ever since the problem first appeared and have had no untoward events.