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Well Zen say 114/9 is now no longer as it will be 280/27 on my line but asked me if I want to order 330/50 but can't afford £59.99 so, they placed the order for 160/30 instead for £49.99 for now. Until I pay off Plusnet, water rent, house rent (bedroom tax) and credit card to pay off £1700. Then I can upgrade to 330/50 after xmas.

. . . stay with G.fast order and use 160/30 stable than VM 362/35 as you are probably right that VM are terrible utilisation in my area.

Only really a couple of ways to find out for sure and that is by either ordering it for yourself and trying it, or asking a neighbour, friend, or family member who has it locally what their experiences are.

ThinkBroadBand's quality metrics, at least in the past, have highlighted how horrible the quality of VM can be. I think my view in my previous post might be a bit dated, since the data here is showing a lot more in the green and yellow for quality - though still comparatively worse than FTTC.

What were the finalised Zen estimates for your connection that they sent via email? I know you mentioned the system(?) said your line is capable of 280/27 (worse case scenario estimates).

Blimey Zen Internet has updated new website revamp just now: https://www.zen.co.uk/broadband/ultrafast-fibre-broadband

What your view ? Staying with FTTC 80/20 and enjoy free until October when contract has expires than leave PN and order G.fast in October with Zen or stay with G.fast order and use 160/30 stable than VM 362/35 as you are probably right that VM are terrible utilisation in my area.

I only got to pay PN for early fee £12.48 for the remaining contract that easy wiped off by my refferal scheme still stand at £45 credit but PN email to me say I would lose LRS non refundable and will lose all my referral scheme £45 credit will be wiped off) CHEEK of PN.

Alright I leave my G.fast order alone and go ahead with G.fast.

I thought I was indecisive.

The way I look at the situation is that 80/20 Mbps is doing you well and it seems there is actually very little reason to change it. If value was your main concern and 80/20 was enough, you'd just stick to it. Heck, you could probably get away with 55/10 or 40/10 for a couple of users at peak.

For the VM cable vs G.fast situation, I personally would be tempted by the latter as long as I could attain a reasonable speed. The overall quality, including factors such as latency and jitter, should be better with G.fast (and even your current FTTC) compared to VM's cable product; the VM experience could be further impacted by utilisation in your area, which you can find out.

If I was in your situation, I would just leave the order for G.fast alone and just stick with the decision to have it. If you cancel it, you will order VM, probably subsequently cancel that and be right back at square one again.

Blimey just saw on VM promotion deal:

Save £180 in your first year with our incredible broadband Oomph deals!

Save £180

Average speed with 362Mbps

M350 Fibre Broadband
(was M200)

    Average download speeds of 362Mbps
    Average upload speeds of 35Mbps
    The UK's fastest widely available broadband

2GB data SIM

    Unlimited mins and texts.
    Data options available at check out


    £40 a month

for 12 months
then £55 a month

£35 set up fee applies
(12 month contract applies)

No Virgin Phone Line

**make me wonder why is G.fast (with DLM) are seem so expensive 160/30 for £49.99 a month for 12 months with £55 activation fee with Plusnet mobile sim only (30 days) with 4G (ee) with unlimited texts and calls with 8GB data for £10.50 a month while cable broadband 362/35 (no DLM) only get a best deal £40 a month for 12 months with £35 activation fee with sim only to get free unlimited calls and texts with 2GB data (4G) with EE Virgin is a win win deal.**

https://www.virginmedia.com/shop/broadband/broadband-only

G.fast 160/30 with Plusnet sim only £60.49 a month inc £55 activation fee (12 months) totally £780.88
Cable 362/35 with VM sim only £40.00 a month inc £35 activation fee (12 months) totally £515.00 (saving of £265.88)

I think I have to cancel Zen G.fast and placed an order with VM deal instead later today. Plus PN cease fee £30 to Openreach to stop FTTC / line rental when my contract end October this year.

I very much doubt it has any effect whatsoever. It is just a junction box.

Are these the reason for low 114/9 g.fast estimate cos of BT52A? But I heard if you want to get rid of BT52A Openreach will charged £130! (not part of G.fast install) so the engineer are likely to say NO.

I would show him the location of the BT52A and then let him get on with the task. 

enquired the Verger.