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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: michty_me on June 17, 2015, 03:25:13 AM
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This is a follow up thread to a link another member posted on the D6400 thread. This looks very interesting.
http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx
According to this article, It is released in the EU.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150615005001/en/NETGEAR-Launches-Nighthawk-AC1900-WiFi-VDSLADSL-Modem#.VYDa-vlVhBc
I spoke to Netgear and they are unsure when it is getting a UK release date and pricing to go with it.
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Awesome
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Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?
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Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?
Don't have the money at the moment, too much travelling then got massive tax bill then got screwed on a new contract job that got put on the back burner by HP, hopefully got new job soon with a different company, by the time I do have some spare cash am sure the D7800 will be out too and can decide then although I don't really need anything more powerful than the D7000.
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Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.
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Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.
Which would it be? Lantiq? Ikanos?
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Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?
Don't have the money at the moment, too much travelling then got massive tax bill then got screwed on a new contract job that got put on the back burner by HP, hopefully got new job soon with a different company, by the time I do have some spare cash am sure the D7800 will be out too and can decide then although I don't really need anything more powerful than the D7000.
I'll probably be getting it upon release. If it has the same throughput at the range my Asus does, The Asus will be sold on.
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Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.
Which would it be? Lantiq? Ikanos?
Lantiq.
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Many thanks for your input. Looks like they have both bases covered then!
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Yes keeping an eye on this one as well. My ZyXEL 8924 is proving good but only if left absolutely alone, unfortunately with working from home often and my type of work I'm needing to dip in to the interface quite a bit to add port forward rules etc, and 9 times out of 10 this works fine, the other 1 out of 10 the Web UI stops responding and a few minutes later the router crashes and needs rebooting which takes several minutes. So every time I need to do something in the Web UI it is always with some trepidation. I've also had, maybe once every 30 days or so, an unexplained reboot, the last time this happened I was on a Skype conference call and it didn't look good to disappear for many minutes.
Regards
Phil
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I noticed CCLOnline claim to have stock just now with others stating tomorrow. I'll be ordering it soon too I think
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Does anyone know what Ebuyers returns policy is like? They have stock and can deliver tomorrow but after being unimpressed with the D6400 and being lumped with a non-returnable Asus DSL-AC68U,I just want to make sure I'm covered
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Well by law the distant selling act comes into play so we have 7 days to inspect goods ordered online, and that includes opening them and trying them out and returning them if we want, sometimes companies don't not refund carriages. How well they handle it and how easy it is with Ebuyer is another issue.
Regards
Phil
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Thanks Phil,
I'll contemplate ordering with them. I'll wait and see what happens with stock arrival tomorrow at other companies first though. Thanks
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The Distance Selling Regulations don't exist anymore.
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The Distance Selling Regulations don't exist anymore.
Learn something new everyday, although the options are still available for returning goods as it has been bettered by new UK laws from what I can gather.
Still the whole experience can be pain free (Amazon are fantastic) or pretty painful (BroadbandBuyer were not good to deal with a return).
Regards
Phil
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I've just ordered one with CCLOnline as they had them for next day now, they didn't earlier, do delivery tomorrow, I'll be sure to feed back.
Regards
Phil
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Yes my CCLOnline one was shipped today - ordered late last night after cancelling Amazon! Sometimes difficult to understand what the numbers mean for stock! Was a skinflint though and went for free shipping :-\
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Yes their stock levels [CCLOnline] are a little confusing. Earlier today they said they had stock but not available for collection for 2 days and delivery earliest was Saturday, then later today when I looked it had changed to collection today and delivery options for tomorrow. So it would seem the stock arrived today when they were expecting it tomorrow and it arrived a day early, or more than likely it was always expected today, but as it could arrive anytime up to late today and too late for dispatch, they play safe and add an extra day.
Regards
Phil
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Looking forward to seeing how you all get on with it.
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I noticed the date for the amazon stock has changed to the 21st. Think I'll go place my order now.
Has yours turned up yet?
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Yes turned up lunchtime. It's fairly large, the design is the same as the R7000 router, but it doesn't need to be as large as it is, whereas the router version has a full length heat-sink running along the base with fins filling the angled sides, this one is devoid of such a heat-sink, with a much smaller heat-sink on the main Broadcom chip which doesn't extend very far, this is on the bottom so the heat can't easily escape! So impressions are of a big bit of cheap plastic with little inside as it isn't as heavy as the size might suggest.
It boots up quick, so certainly can tell it has a faster processor, not connected it up just yet, will do shortly.
Regards
Phil
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Connected and running all okay so far. What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?
Regards
Phil
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Try this.
1) Download the unlock tool from here https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Place file in C:\Windows\System32.
3) Login to netgear router and click advanced and look at the router information block. Take note of the MAC address in there.
4) This point I made a notepad file with the info if I ever need it again.
5) Open windows command prompt.
6) Type this without the quote marks "telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port - in step 3} {user id- default admin} {password- default password}
7) It should look like something like this - telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin password
8) Hit enter and you should get a message stating Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled.
9) Open DSL Stats, And go to config page. Select one of the netgear routers from the list and delete the username and password info. Hit the play button.
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Many thanks for the instructions for Telnet they worked great.
Now connected it up to the VDSL line and stats are identical to ZyXEL 8924, and speed tests are the same. Not many advanced features in the Netgear WebUI, just the basics really, no options to tweak the ADSL or VDSL settings for example, the default config is:
Modulations:
G.Dmt Enabled
G.lite Enabled
T1.413 Enabled
ADSL2 Enabled
AnnexL Enabled
ADSL2+ Enabled
AnnexM Enabled
VDSL2 Enabled
VDSL2 profiles:
8a Enabled
8b Enabled
8c Enabled
8d Enabled
12a Enabled
12b Enabled
17a Enabled
30a Enabled
US0 Enabled
Phone line pair:
Inner pair
Capability:
bitswap On
sra Off
trellis On
sesdrop Off
CoMinMgn Off
24k On
phyReXmt(Us/Ds) Off/On
Ginp(Us/Ds) On/On
TpsTc AvPvAa
monitorTone: On
dynamicD: On
dynamicF: On
SOS: On
Training Margin(Q4 in dB): -1(DEFAULT)
If I can provide any more info let me know. Time will tell how stable it is, but not a single reboot so far, unlike the ZyXEL that was rather prone to rebooting.
Regards
Phil
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Sounds good then. I believe this has a new broadcom chip in it. My one is due for delivery on Wednesday so I can put up a direct comparison with my Asus dsl-ac68u. It's been running around a week so far.
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Does this not work anymore to get into debug mode on Netgears?
http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
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I tried that and it says "Debug enabled!", it is a command I remember from a few years ago, not sure if it did enable Telnet as I had already enabled it via the other method.
Pings to the BBC that were a consistent 12ms have dropped to 10ms, not sure if connected, and my BQM on Thinkbroadband shows pings lower than before.
Regards
Phil
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Either way you're in!
Will be keen to know how it performs, i'm thinking of upgrading my D6200 which is currently linked to an HG612 to access VDSL
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Good to see NETGEAR gave gone back to the old telnet method rather than that weird cmd thing they had for a while :)
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So not too impressive then. Pity they cheaped out on everything. I was hoping for something better. I think I'll take delivery of it and give it a test. See how it goes.
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Sounds like typical NETGEAR I'm afraid :(
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I know their GUI is rather on the lacking side. I could see that from the D6400.
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Sounds like typical NETGEAR I'm afraid :(
Yes it seems they've not improved much over the years.
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Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))
Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.
Wireless speeds are amazing, tested it using my laptop with Intel Wireless-AC 7260 which is only 2 internal antennas and trying to download a 27GB movie form my Media Server from a room on a different floor and the other side of the house though 2 walls and a ceiling I was getting around 40 to 50MB/s so peaking around 400Mbit from a distance, tests to speedtest.net only added on around 2ms from LAN connection is this scenario also and download and upload where at max i.e. 74.99/18.76 etc so no loss there either.
So basically finally have a device that has all the speeds of the ASUS DSL-AC68U but with the Stability of the Netgear D6400, obviously not quite a customisable as the ASUS but certainly slightly more than the D6400.
If anybody wants any other stats let me know etc.
But my conclusion is it is worth it for me at lest it does what I want it to and I think form everything michty_me has said this will probably the router for him ))) :P
There is now a diagnostics page which is nice here is ping result form google.com IP.
PING 31.55.184.248 (31.55.184.248): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=0 ttl=61 time=8.275 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=1 ttl=61 time=8.703 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=2 ttl=61 time=8.155 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=3 ttl=61 time=8.198 ms
--- 31.55.184.248 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 8.155/8.332/8.703 ms
Stats -
Stats recorded 18 Jul 2015 13:36:03
DSLAM/MSAN type: BDCM:0xa48c / v0xa48c
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pvbH042b.d26b
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime:
Resyncs: 0 (since 18 Jul 2015 13:24:02)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 9.3 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 79999 19999
SNR margin (dB): 9.6 15.3
Power (dBm): 12.8 -5.0
Interleave depth: 16 1
INP: 48.00 0
G.INP: Enabled
RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0011
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 12.8
Telnet Data -
adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 26113 Kbps, Downstream rate = 96469 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 9.6 15.3
Attn(dB): 9.3 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.8 -5.0
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 26
B: 130 237
M: 1 1
T: 0 42
R: 8 16
S: 0.0518 0.3781
L: 21468 5374
D: 16 1
I: 139 127
N: 139 254
Q: 16 0
V: 14 0
RxQueue: 60 0
TxQueue: 20 0
G.INP Framing: 18 0
G.INP lookback: 20 0
RRC bits: 0 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 186 -6
B: 0 0
M: 2 0
T: 2 0
R: 16 0
S: 5.3333 0.0000
L: 48 0
D: 3 0
I: 32 0
N: 32 0
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 360581
OHFErr: 0 7
RS: 109999232 2252829
RSCorr: 2 25
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 89089 0
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 1068327 0
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 356 0
rtx_c: 0 0
rtx_uc: 0 0
G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 0 0
minEFTR: 79982 0
errFreeBits: 1746029 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 220152157 0
Data Cells: 4017457 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 0 6
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
AS: 1431
Bearer 0
INP: 48.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 3.98
OR: 0.01 64.22
AgR: 80614.82 20063.54
Bearer 1
INP: 4.00 0.00
INPRein: 4.00 0.00
delay: 3 0
PER: 16.06 0.01
OR: 95.62 0.01
AgR: 95.62 0.01
Bitswap: 11/11 1/1
Total time = 24 min 26 sec
FEC: 2 25
CRC: 0 7
ES: 0 6
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 9 min 26 sec
FEC: 2 6
CRC: 0 4
ES: 0 3
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 0 19
CRC: 0 3
ES: 0 3
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: N/A
Latest 1 day time = 24 min 26 sec
FEC: 2 25
CRC: 0 7
ES: 0 6
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Since Link time = 23 min 51 sec
FEC: 2 25
CRC: 0 7
ES: 0 6
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
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Hi
Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))
Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.
Glad it is working out for you. Surprised you get better speed test results as mine were exactly the same compared to the HG612 which went via a Billion 7800 router, ZyXEL 8924 and now the D7000, and speed tests couldn't be any faster anyway given the 80/20 sync, so it sounds like the D6400 was particularly a bad performer then?
I agree about the boot times though, much quicker, and nothing seemed to want a reboot, just wish it was a bit more of a router than an all-in-one plug in and go affair as I may be in a small minority, but I do tend to use some of the more fringe settings :)
Regards
Phil
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Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))
Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.
Glad it is working out for you. Surprised you get better speed test results as mine were exactly the same compared to the HG612 which went via a Billion 7800 router, ZyXEL 8924 and now the D7000, and speed tests couldn't be any faster anyway given the 80/20 sync, so it sounds like the D6400 was particularly a bad performer then?
I agree about the boot times though, much quicker, and nothing seemed to want a reboot, just wish it was a bit more of a router than an all-in-one plug in and go affair as I may be in a small minority, but I do tend to use some of the more fringe settings :)
Regards
Phil
No the D6400 was very good, download and upload where fine if only one was being tested, it just lost chunk of speed when using both and all the stuff that my networking required, did not happen on the ASUS but then the ASUS had some weird other issues.
I have a server at home that does most things I need anyway.
What is it that you need out of the D7000 which is not there?
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Things I've used on the ZyXEL which don't appear on the D7000:
VLAN and Interface grouping, really handy for offering a mobile friendly guest network, all possible on the Billion and ZyXEL, but not the D7000. They did add this to the R7000 after some time so it may arrive.
Have DHCP assign one internal DNS address and the backup as my ISP, this is so I can access from the LAN websites easily using their external host names from an internal DNS server. No problem on a Billion or ZyXEL router, but can't do this on the Netgear. Easy enough to work around by entering manual DNS servers on network settings on the PC, but it would be easier to have this assigned automatically.
Wake on LAN, that has saved me quite a few times and means I can log in remotely to my home PC without having to leave it on 'just in case' and ensure I remember to do so. This feature I've seen on D-Link/Billion and of course the ZyXEL.
No option I could see to convert the unused WAN Ethernet port to a LAN port to have 5 LAN ports, the ZyXEL can do this.
Extend the Wi-Fi beacon interval, this helps reduce battery drain on mobile devices, again Billion and the ZyXEL routers expose this setting. There are lots of settings missing on the D7000 relating to Wi-Fi that all other routers usually expose.
Nice to have the option to plug in a 3G dongle, again Billion and the ZyXEL allow this, considering this is suppose to be a flag ship DSL router from Netgear, you'd think 3G dongles would be supported, it has the horse power to run the drivers. To be fair it isn't advertised with this feature, although I kind of thought it would be given.
Being able to view the VDSL line stats from within the Web GUI, as well as being able to see uptime, NAT session usage and CPU load, I couldn't see anywhere on the Netgear where this information is shown, yet all available on the ZyXEL.
There are loads of settings and statistics available on other routers that Netgear have not included on the D7000, yes the majority people will never need to delve into advanced settings, but some of us do from time to time, and given the price and power of the CPU, you'd think they'd make the effort to provide access to more of the router options to appeal to the biggest audience.
Of course the ZyXEL hasn't been without it's issues, but it's getting better.
Regards
Phil
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Had a very quick play with my D7000 all OK so far.
I find with all these domestic routers you have to pick and choose the bits that suit you, which is unfortunate especially as I guess its due mainly to economics.
I've had hands on a couple of the VDSL ones (ZyXEL VMG8924 and the D7000) as well as a whole bunch of ADSL ones and all seem to have features missing or bugs.
I worked a long time ago in software engineering and some of these things should be such a simple fix and very frustrating when you see code reuse and hence bugs across several products.
My 'fibre' is only being connected next week so I'll see how it goes then (annoyingly self install so I'll have to grab my own SSFP!)
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Has anyone managed to successfully set up IPTV using the D7000 - I am having major problems. I have selected LAN 4 for IPTV and used the same settings there that are for my Internet (plusnet) and have run an ethernet cable from LAN 4 to the Youview box but the Youview box says it is not connected.
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Had a very quick play with my D7000 all OK so far.
I find with all these domestic routers you have to pick and choose the bits that suit you, which is unfortunate especially as I guess its due mainly to economics.
I've had hands on a couple of the VDSL ones (ZyXEL VMG8924 and the D7000) as well as a whole bunch of ADSL ones and all seem to have features missing or bugs.
I worked a long time ago in software engineering and some of these things should be such a simple fix and very frustrating when you see code reuse and hence bugs across several products.
My 'fibre' is only being connected next week so I'll see how it goes then (annoyingly self install so I'll have to grab my own SSFP!)
I think the best ADSL modem/router combo I had was the SpeedTouch 510v4 (going back a bit now), just worked and had from what I remember a really clear UI that was quite modern for the time, and was a revelation of convenience replacing a USB only ADSL modem and so allowing the Internet to be shared easily across the network, and it could still could give Netgear's Web UI a run for it's money :)
Regards
Phil
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Ok this is a little review for others not really looking on another forum site.
I'm all setup and doing well so it seems.
I've already gained back my speed lost through the Asus DSL-AC68U. It had my line profile slowly edging down since the beginning of the month 74Mb to 68Mb to 67Mb now 66Mb. The SNR on the Asus was all over the place and that was with all the ESNP settings on along side the firmware apparently optimised for broadcom exchanges.
Instantly back up to my 74Mb profile with the Netgear, pings have dropped but only by a ms or two and the SNR is solid again.
I've been carrying out various speed tests as this is where the D6400 let me down. I'm pretty pleased with this now as even out in my garage (Out the house and down the drive I'm getting full speeds on AC WiFi. 69.7Mb Down and 18.1Mb up compared to Asus 25Mb down and 18Mb up.
Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.
I can't seem to get DSL stats to work at the minute though and that is following my own guide lol.
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I can't seem to get DSL stats to work at the minute though and that is following my own guide lol.
You need to click the 'Reset login configuration' button in DSLStats every time before you login with the D7000 for some reason I found.
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I got it working in the end. A silly error.
Seems to be rock solid.
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Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.
I've not had time to try or test the VPN yet - you may need to generate a config file but manually edit it for Android from what I have seen on another forum for the R7000 as it is not "officially" supported. I assume you are using OpenVPN on Android?
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Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.
I've not had time to try or test the VPN yet - you may need to generate a config file but manually edit it for Android from what I have seen on another forum for the R7000 as it is not "officially" supported. I assume you are using OpenVPN on Android?
You don't need to edit anything, just use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.colucciweb.openvpn&hl=en or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.colucciweb.free.openvpn&hl=en and you can use both the windows or non-windows generated files form the D7000 just fine. :)
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Been using the D7000 for around 15 hours now - it was switched on around 5pm on Friday. The changes can be observed on MyDSLWebstats - profile ardsar.
Initial observations -
1) S/N for downstream was approx. 1 db lower than what the Billion 8800NXL reported
2) Interleave was reduced from 801 to 531 (it has been stuck at 801 since around Christmas)
3) Performance seems good.
What I have noticed however is that the S/N usually drops by approx. 1dB at night and then recovers. On the D7000, the S/N has not been recovered. If I look at the S/N per tone graph, the areas that dip at night have recovered, however the bit loading graph seems to suggest that these areas are still poor (around tones 1700). Would this be why the S/N has not recovered this morning?
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I'm not too sure Ardsar, I'm unsure about tones and bit loading. I need to read up on that side of things. Sorry I couldn't help.
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Ardsar,
I've also noticed that my SNR is around 1dB lower on this device than the HG612. I'll need to confirm this later by reconnecting the HG612 but if I remember right, I was sitting at approx 7.5dB with that and now I'm around 6.3dB.
I think there may be a slight issue with sync rates as it appears I've lost a chunk from the down and up stream attainable.
D6400:
Max: Upstream rate = 26040 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80441 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
D7000:
Max: Upstream rate = 16707 Kbps, Downstream rate = 75277 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 16730 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Other users on Whirlpool forums have noticed the same. I'm not too worried about it as I'm still syncing well above what my Asus device could and it is far more stable.
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My concern is that when the s/n drops in the evening it doesn't seem to fully recover and this can be seen in my stats. I may be wrong but it looks like the 'bad' tones are not recovered when the s/n for the tones recover. If u look at my bits per tone graph it's now full of holes which on other modems recovers during the day.
On the upstream I gained a few hundred kb using the 7000.
The max attainable speeds reported by the d7000 seem more reasonable then what other devices report - they have always over estimated on an interleaved line.
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Maybe I am getting a true reading of stats now. Who knows.
I'll maybe test with the HG612 tomorrow.
I see what you mean with regards to your tones. I'm not sure why it would do that.
I had a strange SNR spike this afternoon. It appeared to have been stable for 24hrs at 6.3/5.9. This afternoon it blipped to 6.9/10 and has now dropped to 5.4/5.8. Not sure what would cause the change in SNR.
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SNR down is now at 4.5dB! I started on Friday evening with around 6.3db. Why are these tones not recovering - maybe an issue with bit swapping?
Lowest I ever got with my billion was around 7db.
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Hmm could well be an issue with the firmware. May try one of the older ones.
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SNR down is now at 4.5dB! I started on Friday evening with around 6.3db. Why are these tones not recovering - maybe an issue with bit swapping?
Lowest I ever got with my billion was around 7db.
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Could be either the modem part is more susceptible to noise so when noise targets particular bins rather than other modems being able to maintain some data through them the D7000 is shutting them down completely, or is more aggressively bitswapping and shutting bins down, once shut down the bins don't come back into use, even if the noise has gone, until a resync.
Regards
Phil
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Connected and running all okay so far. What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?
Regards
Phil
These are useless by Netgear! Very poor old dated web UI design on the new D7000. Netgear never care to get a full stats on VDSL. This is the reason I won't buy Netgear anymore!
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Connected and running all okay so far. What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?
Regards
Phil
These are useless by Netgear! Very poor old dated web UI design on the new D7000. Netgear never care to get a full stats on VDSL. This is the reason I won't buy Netgear anymore!
All stats are accessible via telnet unlike some routers.
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Well something has happened this morning to my line and something I've never experienced from any device.
Netgear engineering asked me to check if my SNR recovers from a reboot. It did. But having a look at the stats, my inp level has also reduced now and my interleaving depth is at 8!!! It has always been 16 or above. I've never seen this before.
Ardsar, can you do the same please and reboot when you get a chance to see if you get a recovery of SNR.
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reboot is bad way for FTTC as it will cause DLM to trigger if you do reboot it. But, I think doing it one off will be ok but don't reboot it too many times.
I never heard of this reboot to recover SNR. That's got nothing to do with it. It's up to DLM to decided not the router reboot.
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Im sure a reboot will recover the S/N as this will recover the bins that have been marked as bad, but the S/N will only drop again in the evening as the bins are again marked as bad. Looking at my bin/tone loading it is very clear that areas where the s/n drops at night result in those bins being disabled. On other routers, the bins come back into play when the S/N recovers. You can see this on MYDSLwebstats> prior to using the Netgear on Friday evening, you can see my S/N drops in the evening and recovers during the early hours - by around 1 - 1.5 dB. However with the Netgear, the S/N dropped as usual but did not recover in the early hours resulting in a fairly flat line since Saturday.
I may power off for 30 mins and then power back on when i get home......
Netgear need to be advised to look at Bin loading and bit swapping algorithms.
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My SNR returned to normal after a reboot. Well off for 30 mins and back on.
I've also swapped to the hg612 as they wanted stats and info from that to compare alongside the stats of the D6400.
What I think has happened with my line in particular is that due to the lowering of the interleaving it has estimated my Max attainable as a bit lower resulting in the SNR to drop to maintain my existing sync speed. After my reboot im syncing slightly less but have a better SNR.
As my line is on g.inp that is known to mess about with attainable rates so I'm wondering if this has contributed to the issue now that is has lowered slightly also.
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Why don't you just leave thing alone. I wouldn't mess around with it. Not worth it. As for SNR it pretty normal to go and down in this weather plus day & evening are always change in SNR. My router stay online sync for 25 days since Openreach change in G.INP interleaved from 16:8 to 16:1
Yesterday (last night):
SNR Margin (dB) 8.5 14.8
Attenuation (dB) 11.7 0.0
Output Power (dBm) 12.4 0.0
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 90117 30859
Rate (Kbps) 79999 19999
Today (now):
SNR Margin (dB) 9.3 15.3
Attenuation (dB) 11.7 0.0
Output Power (dBm) 12.4 0.0
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 94926 31187
Rate (Kbps) 79999 19999
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Think the point is there appears to be an issue with the device which we are trying to get resolved. Agreed it is usual for s/n to fluctuate as my line always has however with the netgear fluctuation is only one way -ie down which is different to any other device I have used
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Because I'm trying to assist Netgear and Ardsar to get to the bottom of what they are seeing. I don't care if DLM kicks in, It will always recover when it sees that the line is stable. It doesn't bother me one bit.
I am aware SNR will fluctuate with seasons and weather but why are they not recovering when they normally do? This is why I am trying to provide Netgear with as much info as possible. If no one does then how do they know there may be an issue?
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I think Netgear wouldn't care less as they are best known as poor customer support and their forum help is useless too. I just glad to see the last in Netgear! Never go back to Netgear ever again.
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I think you have made it clear you hate netgear. Can we get back to topic please
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NETGEAR are pretty poor to be fair.
They released a broken DGND3700 and then fixed it by releasing a DGND3700 v2 the next year: the DGND3700 was never fixed.
Also the fact that their software always has bugs, the WiFi performance on most of their routers is average at best and their support is dire, I would say it is fair to dislike them strongly as a brand.
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^^ Totally Agree!
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Suggest you make a new thread titled I hate netgear lol
Back to topic please
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Been using the D7000 for around 15 hours now - it was switched on around 5pm on Friday. The changes can be observed on MyDSLWebstats - profile ardsar.
Initial observations -
1) S/N for downstream was approx. 1 db lower than what the Billion 8800NXL reported
2) Interleave was reduced from 801 to 531 (it has been stuck at 801 since around Christmas)
3) Performance seems good.
What I have noticed however is that the S/N usually drops by approx. 1dB at night and then recovers. On the D7000, the S/N has not been recovered. If I look at the S/N per tone graph, the areas that dip at night have recovered, however the bit loading graph seems to suggest that these areas are still poor (around tones 1700). Would this be why the S/N has not recovered this morning?
As can be seen from the attached more bins are now not being used - hence the reduced S/N. THe net result however is that the S/N graph has flattened out, rather than oscillating by 1dB per day.
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Ardsar, Check your PM's. One of the D7000 engineers wants to have a chat with you to get to the bottom of the issue you are seeing. He has been most helpful with me so assume he will do what he can for you.
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Netgear engineers - make me laugh! They saying that to me years ago with DGND3700 to get the bottom of issues problem but they give up!
Never trust Netgear engineers!
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Yes I understand how you feel, I have similar feelings about other manufacturers. Asus especially.
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Netgear engineers - make me laugh! They saying that to me years ago with DGND3700 to get the bottom of issues problem but they give up!
Never trust Netgear engineers!
I have had numerous issues with numerous manufacturers in the many many years of working in IT and also as a customer like many people.
But -
a). this is a thread for people that have bought the D7000 or are considering buying it, at what point does all your dislike for them help the people in this thread.
b). Issues in the past don't necessarily mean issues now, people change, companies change and adapt or go bankrupt.
c). I have never had issues with Netgear, I have been lucky that way, despite owning 4 different devices form them over the years.
d). I don't have any issues with the D7000 or the D6400. The D7000 is very fast for me and no fluctuations, does everything I need it to and the cost of the unit is cheap for me.
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Yes I understand how you feel, I have similar feelings about other manufacturers. Asus especially.
Yeah, ASUS I have mixed feelings about but have owned both good and bad products from.
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I would say I'm the same as yourself with Asus, their routers and motherboards etc are not bad at all. Their DSL units are better off used as a door stop or a weapon though.
Their firmware tends to be a bit hit and miss too but they do provide good options in their GUI. Which I like.
Anyway back on topic.
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@adslmax: we're getting rather tired of your off-topic comments in this thread. Please stay out of it unless you have something relevant to say. Any more off-topic comments will be deleted.
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I have mentioned your issue to the guy this evening. The had plusnet beta testers so I've requested more information on if the plusnet beta testers had setup the iptv function and if so, how.
Should hear back from him in the morning hopefully.
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You are a lifesaver!
I am at the end of my tether with this box and still using the ASUS.
With all the tinkering with the Netgear I'm worried that if I try to tinker again then DLM will kick in.
Looking forward to any feedback, I really do appreciate it.
Rick.
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He may want to speak to you directly so will let you know what he says in the morning.
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That's fine - happy to inbox you my details!
Thanks again!!
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It will be easier if you discussed it with him rather than me being the middle man.
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Sure, I'll inbox you my details now.
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So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks
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This my opinion on it so far. Others obviously vary as you have maybe seen through the thread.
I've tried 5 different modems and modem/routers since getting fibre. All have maintained my line to the usual standard with one of these degrading my line.
I bought the d7000 as I thought the d6400 was stable, could get good stats via telnet but lacked in WiFi capability. The d7000 is certainly stable just as you would expect from a broadcom based chip. The WiFi is great, I seem to have tripled my throughput speed in my garage which is a short walk out my house and across the drive way.
As I said earlier in my post, most other modems just maintained my line but this has actually reduced my interleaving depth after 3 days use, reduced my INP (slightly) and giving me a fraction of the FEC's and CRC's my last device gave.
I'm very pleased with it so far so its a thumbs up from me. Remember though, every line is different so what works for one, may not for the other.
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This my opinion on it so far. Others obviously vary as you have maybe seen through the thread.
I've tried 5 different modems and modem/routers since getting fibre. All have maintained my line to the usual standard with one of these degrading my line.
I bought the d7000 as I thought the d6400 was stable, could get good stats via telnet but lacked in WiFi capability. The d7000 is certainly stable just as you would expect from a broadcom based chip. The WiFi is great, I seem to have tripled my throughput speed in my garage which is a short walk out my house and across the drive way.
As I said earlier in my post, most other modems just maintained my line but this has actually reduced my interleaving depth after 3 days use, reduced my INP (slightly) and giving me a fraction of the FEC's and CRC's my last device gave.
I'm very pleased with it so far so its a thumbs up from me. Remember though, every line is different so what works for one, may not for the other.
Thanks for that info,like the idea of the interleave dropping, I work offshore on the rigs and when I went away my interleave depth was 1435, which is very heavy for some strange reason ,my HEC errors were also zero when I left so will see what it`s like when I get home after a good up time of around 25 days and see if the DLM has improved it. I may buy this if I see poor Int depth. Thanks for your help
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So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks
I had the D7000 but returned it. It's no R7000 and my impression compared to an array of other routers/modems was it was cut to the bone in terms of build quality and options. The D7000 has started the same way as the R7000 with firmware not finished and lacking features that should be on something from day one. Netgear may finish the firmware and add more features, then again they may just replace it with a D7500 (looking identical!) and forget all about the D7000, such is the Netgear way.
The 1GHz CPU is a waste of electricity as unless you are using it as a NAS box or have hundreds of clients connected, it's over kill, and IP packet processing is all off-loaded anyway, the CPU doesn't deal with that.
Regards
Phil
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So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks
In my opinion it is, it is certainly faster than the D6400 and you get that dual core 1Ghz and faster Wireless throughput for only slightly more than the D6400, despite several people not liking Netgear and having issues with past routers, they seem to be providing firmware updates regularly on their products these days. Also I would get odd slow downs on the D6400 which I assume was just due to my overly demanding network, I don't have any such issues with the D7000, although not tried the D6400 since it had a firmware update the other day, I will keep the D6400 for my family in case I take the D7000 with me if I start working on a contract elsewhere.
So far I am certainly very happy with mine )))
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I've not owned any Netgear products since owning the dg834gt many years ago. Never had any issue with that so wasn't too fussed about trying them again and very happy so far.
I will admit, my needs are minimal in a modem router so it suits me fine, if you simply must have a lot of features and every imaginable option to change then this most certainly won't be up your street.
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Also to add, I was initially waiting on the new Billion 8900 series devices but they keep getting put back further and further. By the time they appear now they will be outdated I would imagine.
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Those who have been following my "drama" with Youview & IPTV will be happy to know that thanks to @michty_me, I now have a contact at Netgear whom has been emailing me various things I should do to congifure the D7000 so that IPTV will work.
Nothing has worked so far - last email said (and sorry for his poor English):
"Hi Rick,
OK. using a app to play IPTV from internet.
I maybe know where the cause. The IGMP should bind to WAN1(Internet interface), rather than WAN2 (IPTV interface).
I will send you a test FW to try tomorrow, which make the IGMP bind to WAN1."
Can someone decipher what he means?
And if it means what I think it does, then this test f/w should allow me to use my current set up, which is as follows:
LAN 1 - 10 M Ethernet Cable to a TP Link switch (behind the TV) - this connects Apple TV and other devices AND the Youview Box
LAN 2 - NAS
LAN 3 - NAS
LAN 4 - Empty
Currently, he suggests that I can only use IPTV on 1 LAN - thus, the configurations I have been using is as above but LAN 4 has an ethernet cable connecting straight to the Youview box.
This is becoming such a mission!
Rick.
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After weeks of support from you guys and thanks to a member putting me in touch with a Netgear person, we have lift off!
Plusnet TV is working!
Rick.
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Glad you got it working. I was trying to make sense of the Netgear response above but some things were a little odd!
Is it worth you posting how to set it up for others? Did you have to use modified f/w? I guess you might have done as the standard f/w seems to only cater for IPTV hanging off a specific port(s) separate to internet ports.
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And, FYI, This is my set up (you don't need to use 1 port on the router for the IPTV) which works!
LAN1 - 10m Ethernet Cable to Gigabit TP-Link Switch connecting (amongst other things) Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV.......AND Youview Box
LAN2 - NAS Deivce
LAN3- NAS Device
LAN4 - VOIP Device
it's working like a dream.
Rick.
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That is great news rick. Glad you got it working. Hope you are happy with your setup now.
Tom has been a great help sorting stuff out and making tweaks to firmware.
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If it wasn't for you reaching out and getting me in touch with Tom, the D7000 would have been boxed up and sent back.
I have managed to configure static IP's for my NAS devices and static routes, plus have set up DNS on it too.
It is a good router, wifi speeds are good too.
Thanks again matey.
Rick.
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Not a problem at all pal.
Just glad you got it sorted. Tom seems a good guy and already thanked him for all the help.
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Seriously, I am so so grateful :-D
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Not a problem at all mate. Enjoy!
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Team,
I expect this is lame but I have searched everywhere to find out what goes into the DHCP 61 Option box when setting up the D700 (automatically) with Sky Fibre (UK). The closest I have got is that it's the login and password that you get from the Wireshark extract. However, I have used this perfectly successfully in my DSL AC68u but as two entries. If this is what goes in the box on the D7000, could someone please confirm the exact format?
Thanks
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Option 61 box takes username|password
Put it in as I have shown above. There is a full description on the link below it is for a draytek but applies equally to the D7000 , you will also need option 60 and spoof the mac address of your sky router too.
http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/asking-help/55193-modem-routers-will-connect-direct-sky-fibre.html (http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/asking-help/55193-modem-routers-will-connect-direct-sky-fibre.html)
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I've been told that the 60/61 input is not required on the setup. All that is required is selecting sky from the drop down menu and inputing your details from wireshark. I don't have sky so can't confirm.
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:) Trust me I'm a doctor.... ( not really! )
Look at the attatchment.
Option 60 should look something like this 7.16a4N_UNI|PCBAFAST2504Nv1.0
Option 61 should look something like this 4xxxxxxxxxx3@skydsl|g*************k , note the '|' where the username and password are joined.
And of course the WAN mac address from the existing sky router, NOT the LAN mac address that is used for getting the above details from the password generator; is it a generator or an extractor?
I'm also a Sky user.
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I wonder why they chose a Lantiq on the D7800 but a BCM on the D7000. Is there actually a rule when deciding between a BCM and Lantiq, Lantiq for short lines, BCM for long lines or is it every line if different see what works best sort of thing. Iv'e always gone by match it to your cabinet chipset
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I expect it is just whatever chipsets they can get that works out cheapest at the time, or they are supplying an ISP or telcom with a similar product and that customer has specified Lantiq and Netgear can get a good price by adding to the order to produce their own branded modems.
No one can say for absolute certainty what works best with what line, and Lantiq chip in one modem could behave differently in another depending on how well the circuit is designed, and if that design happens to favour a particular line.
Lantiq is used in the ECI modems supplied for VDSL in the UK and these seem to inter-operate with no issues at all, so no reason to believe the Netgear will differ drastically to how the ECI modems work.
Regards
Phil
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Bt when supplying the modems appeared to provide ones that matched the DSLAM.
The only thing I have to say on that is the modem/routers I have bought with Lantiq chipset have both had problems, the Netgear I have now is Broadcom and I don't have any problems, my DSLAM is Broadcom.
Make of it what you wish.
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Bt when supplying the modems appeared to provide ones that matched the DSLAM.
That isn't the case so much now as HomeHubs are all the same regardless of the DSLAM, and self install VDSL will see all sorts of flavours of chipsets used by ISPs.
I'd personally rather have Broadcom as well though, and it works great on an ECI cab that is Lantiq.
Regards
Phil
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All Homehubs aren't the same, there's a HH5A and a HH5B for example.
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Are the chipsets different?
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Perhaps the discussion of the D7800 should be split to a separate thread.
I think all current Lantiq devices are based on the VR9 family, the VRX268 or VRX288 chips, which have been around for a few years now.
The D7800 uses the next generation Lantiq chip, VR10 family, it's the first device I've seen that does:
IPQ8064(CPU) + QCA8337(Switch) + VRX320(DSL) + QCA9982(5GHz) + QCA9880(2.4GHz)
The DSL firmware contained within the Netgear firmware image is:
dsl_vr10_firmware_xdsl-07.07.04.03.00.07_07.07.01.08.00.01.bin
HH5A - Lantiq VRX268
HH5B - Broadcom
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Just Netgear putting a foot in each camp then.
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All Homehubs aren't the same, there's a HH5A and a HH5B for example.
Would that suggest that BT try to match DSLAM and Homehub?
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I don't think BT made much effort to match DSLAM and Homehub chipset, I think there was only the HH5A at first, and the 5B was released later. There have been A and B types of HH3 and 4. It's probably mostly to keep costs down.
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A lot of the swapping is indeed just keeping costs down, certainly for the likes of the Netgear, who aren't worried about matching chipsets to DSLAM given the countries the models cover, and the vast majority of their customers know nothing about chipsets and the potential benefits (real or imagined) of matching chipsets in the modem to the DSLAM. The D7000 has most likely had it's one and only production run which wasn't even made by Netgears own production fabs, they outsourced it and from what I saw it was made as cheaply as possible.
The D7800 will just be another production run with the opportunity to market some higher Wi-Fi speeds that the Lantiq chipset will theoretically support and that no one will see outside of a test lab! Broadcom will come out with another chipset theoretically supporting faster speeds again, and so is born the D8000.
Manufacturers like Netgear are treating routers/modems as a subscription model, the idea is to keep getting people to replace them by having a continual stream of 'new' models which are not made to last more than 6 months or a year before they obsolete them.
Regards
Phil
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A lot of the swapping is indeed just keeping costs down, certainly for the likes of the Netgear, who aren't worried about matching chipsets to DSLAM given the countries the models cover, and the vast majority of their customers know nothing about chipsets and the potential benefits (real or imagined) of matching chipsets in the modem to the DSLAM. The D7000 has most likely had it's one and only production run which wasn't even made by Netgears own production fabs, they outsourced it and from what I saw it was made as cheaply as possible.
The D7800 will just be another production run with the opportunity to market some higher Wi-Fi speeds that the Lantiq chipset will theoretically support and that no one will see outside of a test lab! Broadcom will come out with another chipset theoretically supporting faster speeds again, and so is born the D8000.
Manufacturers like Netgear are treating routers/modems as a subscription model, the idea is to keep getting people to replace them by having a continual stream of 'new' models which are not made to last more than 6 months or a year before they obsolete them.
Regards
Phil
You have just described 90% of IT Industry and modern day consumerism in general :P
No matter how cheaply you describe it in your opinion, myself and several others own it and it works great and better than any other VDSL Router I have used and tried and have tried 5 so far, this is the only one that does not have any issues for me and works well for both me and my family and my needs.
Some of the Netgear devices get lots of firmware updates and some get hardly any.
If there was a great dedicated VDSL modem out there other than the HG612 I would have probably bought that and gone with a non VDSL Router, probably the Cisco business one plus separate Access point. But there isn't atm.
The only other ones close with features is the TP Link which I think some people are holding off until it gets a firmware update or the ASUS DSL-AC68U which has had a sordid past with it's Mediatek chipset and it's numerous firmware updates that have either failed to fix issues or introduced new ones, that being said the latest firmware update apparently seems to be working well for a lot of people now, especially on Huewei Cabinets.
I still contend that the combined VDSL modem/router market is mostly crap, we need a lot more competition in this area really to see better models.
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D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.26 has been released.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30213
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Ah thanks. Will get it installed.
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That's quite a long list in the release notes! Seems OK so far, although it hasn't fixed a big issue with large file support on ReadyShare / Media server unfortunately.
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A user on overclockers said that his sync dropped from 9Mb to around 5Mb, swapped back to his ISP supplied router and synched again at 9Mb. The user said that the older firmware gives him the same sync as his ISP supplied one.
Over the last month or so, I noticed my SNR dropped to around 5db so I knew I would lose speed upon reboot. I've now gone from 73Mb to 67Mb because of this. My SNR is now sitting at 6.5db now though. I was sort of hoping it was Christmas light interference but it seems to have remained low. I'll maybe try my HG612 tomorrow and see what it syncs at, just for test purposes.
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Mine is still running great on latest firmware -
xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 31553 Kbps, Downstream rate = 94525 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 9.0 15.6
Attn(dB): 8.9 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.9 -6.2
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 26
B: 130 237
M: 1 1
T: 0 42
R: 8 16
S: 0.0518 0.3781
L: 21468 5374
D: 16 1
I: 139 127
N: 139 254
Q: 16 0
V: 14 0
RxQueue: 60 0
TxQueue: 20 0
G.INP Framing: 18 0
G.INP lookback: 20 0
RRC bits: 0 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 186 -6
B: 0 0
M: 2 0
T: 2 0
R: 16 0
S: 5.3333 0.0000
L: 48 0
D: 3 0
I: 32 0
N: 32 0
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 2232654
OHFErr: 0 554
RS: 702311472 113184
RSCorr: 3315 2083
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 10996793 0
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 131960778 0
RSCorr: 91 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 66433 0
rtx_c: 147 0
rtx_uc: 0 0
G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 3 0
minEFTR: 79982 0
errFreeBits: 215522040 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 1404771869 0
Data Cells: 301744341 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 0 501
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
AS: 176635
Bearer 0
INP: 48.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 3.98
OR: 0.01 64.22
AgR: 80614.82 20063.54
Bearer 1
INP: 4.00 0.00
INPRein: 4.00 0.00
delay: 3 0
PER: 16.06 0.01
OR: 95.62 0.01
AgR: 95.62 0.01
Bitswap: 187/187 97/97
Total time = 2 days 1 hours 4 min 30 sec
FEC: 3315 2083
CRC: 0 554
ES: 0 501
SES: 0 0
UAS: 35 35
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 4 min 30 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 5 10
CRC: 0 2
ES: 0 2
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: N/A
Latest 1 day time = 1 hours 4 min 30 sec
FEC: 5 35
CRC: 0 10
ES: 0 9
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC: 1918 889
CRC: 0 242
ES: 0 226
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
Since Link time = 2 days 1 hours 3 min 53 sec
FEC: 3315 2083
CRC: 0 554
ES: 0 501
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
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Hmmm, looks like Netgear pulled 1.0.0.26 from their website. Not sure why - I still have a copy if anyone needs it. My large file issue on Readyshare / Media server is recognised by the engineering team and the fix should be in the next f/w release.
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Hmmm, looks like Netgear pulled 1.0.0.26 from their website. Not sure why - I still have a copy if anyone needs it. My large file issue on Readyshare / Media server is recognised by the engineering team and the fix should be in the next f/w release.
It is still there http://support.netgear.com/product/D7000 & http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D7000/D7000-V1.0.0.26_1.0.1.zip
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They pulled the firmware due to issues but it appears that they have uploaded the same one onto their website.
https://community.netgear.com/t5/DSL-Modems-Routers/What-s-happen-with-D7000-1-0-0-26-firmware/td-p/1043921
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Hi all
Not sure what I am doing wrong with the D7000, telnet comes up with the payload sent ext, but when I log into telnet it asks for a password, I haven't updated anything yet so they are still default, so I use admin and password in the cmd and it say that the password is wrong, also dsl stats keeps coming up with no data returned on sample data, any ideas what I am doing wrong ? I am a bit of a noob when it comes to telnet lol
Kev
Hi again all
Got telnet giving stats but not a lot of info from them.
Finally got dslstats working for some reason I had to put root in the command line, awesome program, very happy bunny showing the graphs as well :)
Kev
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D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.32 has been released.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30427
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New Firmware: 1.0.0.34
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30660
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D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.38 has been released.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30834
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Hi I am new to the forum so will say hello.
My isp will soon upgrade our ancient sysytem to F.T.T.C (not in the U.K) so will be looking at the pes version of this modem/router. As there has not been any recent posts have the firmware updates improved the stability of this model.
Thanks
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I have 2 of these, one at home and one at the place I lodge in London, both great, both very stable for me, one on FTTC and one on ADSL2, all seem to be fantastic, great signal and great wireless, could not be happier :)
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I have 2 of these, one at home and one at the place I lodge in London, both great, both very stable for me, one on FTTC and one on ADSL2, all seem to be fantastic, great signal and great wireless, could not be happier :)
Thanks for the information looks like the newer firmware has added stability and good to know you have the opportunity to provide feedback on FTTC and ADSL
Thanks again.
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I have upgraded to the new version 42 from version 32 and all is working as it should with one small exception.
On the home page where it lists the Wireless state it flags a warning saying no encryption is in use.
On investigation I confirmed WPA2 was on and working correctly for both 2 GHz and 5 GHz.
On a hunch I adjusted the security settings of the Guest network (which I don't use and is actually disabled) to WPA2
and the warning on the home page disappeared with it reporting that it was looking at the Guest SSID.
A bug for Netgear to fix in the next release.
Also on checking (via DSLStats) I found the Broadcom DSL driver code in use to be A2pvbH042n.d26b which is the latest I
have come across with the previous driver version at release 39m.
I am monitoring the stats be see little difference in sync or performance at this point (but less than 1 hour uptime so far)
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I have upgraded to the new version 42 from version 32 and all is working as it should with one small exception.
On the home page where it lists the Wireless state it flags a warning saying no encryption is in use.
On investigation I confirmed WPA2 was on and working correctly for both 2 GHz and 5 GHz.
On a hunch I adjusted the security settings of the Guest network (which I don't use and is actually disabled) to WPA2
and the warning on the home page disappeared with it reporting that it was looking at the Guest SSID.
A bug for Netgear to fix in the next release.
Also on checking (via DSLStats) I found the Broadcom DSL driver code in use to be A2pvbH042n.d26b which is the latest I
have come across with the previous driver version at release 39m.
I am monitoring the stats be see little difference in sync or performance at this point (but less than 1 hour uptime so far)
Thanks, I wondered why it was doing that given that it has security by default and yeah putting some on the guest networks even though they disbaled fixes it, also noticed it only shows the guest networks in the wireless ticker, well at least everything is running great :)
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D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.1.44 has been released.
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/31436
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I only just upgraded to 1.0.1.42 yesterday :D
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Hi,
Has anyone managed to tweak ADSL SNR on the D7000?
If so is there a guide at all?
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Just wondering if anyone has used the D7000 in bridge mode? My current ZyXel VMG1312-B10As have an issue with PPPoE under certain circumstances when the throughput drops to almost zero and I thought these might be an alternative. Thanks.
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Hi
It's a sledge hammer to crack a nut that, buying it just as modem only and will burn through electricity. Have you considered tracking down an HG612 or some other cheaper VDSL router for modem only mode.
Regards
Phil
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Hi.
I hadn't considered the amount of power they would consume, but perhaps that would be mitigated if the radios were turned off. However, you are absolutely correct that I'd be paying for functionality that wouldn't be used, but I'd like a device with an up to date Broadcom chipset which the D7000 has. I already have two HG612 modems, but I drop ~10Mbps across my two lines with these. I've also tried the VMG1312-B10Ds on loan from my ISP, but they had the same issue so I want to stay clear of the ZyXels.
Thanks ... Vic.
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Hi,
Has anyone managed to tweak ADSL SNR on the D7000?
If so is there a guide at all?
Now noticed this thread
I don't own the d7000, but here worked for user in a Greek forum (older firmware, so not sure if with latest is blocked)
debug with this ip
http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
at telnet type
telnet 192.168.0.1 (enter)
page log in will appear type
root (enter)
then for adsl snr tweak type
adslctl configure --snr xx
where xx are the values (all broadcom values are somewhere in this forum, but sorry did not bother to try find out the page, also did not use broadcom for long time and i forgot them, so perhaps an other user to help on this)
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Hi
Hi.
I hadn't considered the amount of power they would consume, but perhaps that would be mitigated if the radios were turned off. However, you are absolutely correct that I'd be paying for functionality that wouldn't be used, but I'd like a device with an up to date Broadcom chipset which the D7000 has. I already have two HG612 modems, but I drop ~10Mbps across my two lines with these. I've also tried the VMG1312-B10Ds on loan from my ISP, but they had the same issue so I want to stay clear of the ZyXels.
Thanks ... Vic.
You say you drop ~10Mbps across two lines, what is that you use that gets ~10Mbps more?
I wouldn't fixate on the Broadcom chipset version, there are newer ones but the modem silicon are essentially the same on all of them, ironically newer Broadcom chipsets can be lesser performing due to integrating separate chip functions onto the same chip to reduce the bill of materials, which can result in a bit more interference, although generally other things like the general design of the analogue/power circuits can make a bigger difference, as well as what happens to work best on your particular line characteristics.
Regards
Phil
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Thanks for your insight, Phil.
I'm currently using 2 x ZyXel VMG1312-B10As which appear to work best on my two bonded VDSL2 lines and I would be very happy to retain them were it not for this PPPoE issue. I'll maybe order a D7000 for evaluation and see how it performs.
Cheers,
Vic.
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You will need to apply the telnet everytime you reboot. I believe there is an easier way but I cannot remember how.
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Ok, thanks.
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You will need to apply the telnet everytime you reboot. I believe there is an easier way but I cannot remember how.
You can try just entering the URL (with corresponding IP) http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
as opposed to using telnetenable.exe I think. Enter "root" to log in. Weirdly using telnetable drops you in at the root prompt without login.
On a slightly different note does anyone know where in the filesystem the persistent settings for everything including openvpn are stored?
The settings for the "mobile" config at /etc/server_phone.conf has an error as it hard codes the server IP to 192.168.2.0 so I can connect using OpenVPN on my Android phone but I get 192.168.2.2 allocated - any changes to the files are not persistent on reboot.
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Netgear have issues a new version of firmware, you now have to enter the username and password to get into Telnet, and dslstats need the same now - thought this may help some people spend less time than I just have :cool:
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That is useful to know. Thank you for providing the information.
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Netgear have issues a new version of firmware, you now have to enter the username and password to get into Telnet, and dslstats need the same now - thought this may help some people spend less time than I just have :cool:
I was just away to ask the question of 'Why am I not getting any data now, Have they removed the function?' until I read Iains post, So thank you Iain ;D
On a side note, I upgraded my firmware as I have been experiencing a strange lockup of the device about once a month. It seems a common issue though so I doubt it will help.
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Anyone currently using RouterStats Lite witha D7000 v1? I can't get either the preset or user defined to respond.
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can you use DSLstats with this router (Broadcom version)
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Yes you can - see this helpful guide on how to do it.
Someone posted a link on how to do it, so I can't take any credit, but I did copy the instructions.
To set up DSL Stats, I used these settings:
Modem/Router model -
IP Address: - set to the IP of your router
Telnet login name: - leave blank admin
Telnet password - leave blank password
Telnet port - 23
tick the box " Requires command to enter shell"
Shell command - root
CLI command prefix - xdslctl
with these settings it began collecting data for me. HTH and HAND :)
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Yes you can - see this helpful guide on how to do it.
Someone posted a link on how to do it, so I can't take any credit, but I did copy the instructions.
To set up DSL Stats, I used these settings:
Modem/Router model -
IP Address: - set to the IP of your router
Telnet login name: - leave blank admin
Telnet password - leave blank password
Telnet port - 23
tick the box " Requires command to enter shell"
Shell command - root
CLI command prefix - xdslctl
with these settings it began collecting data for me. HTH and HAND :)
thanks :)