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Black Sheep

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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #240 on: July 19, 2015, 10:03:51 PM »

So the physical cable between the cabinet and the DP is never actually changed?

Not unless it develops a fault 'in length'. Most cables will be approx. 100/200mtrs in length ........... therefore every 100/200mtrs there will be a cable joint. It's usually at the joint that faults will exist (corrosion etc). However, every now and again there will be faults developing in the actual cable length, via rope-burn (pulling another cable/sub-duct through the same duct), or rats having a chomp.

 
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #241 on: July 19, 2015, 10:16:56 PM »

Most cables will be approx. 100/200mtrs in length ........... therefore every 100/200mtrs there will be a cable joint

Could i ask at these joints is there a manhole cover for easy access ?
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #242 on: July 19, 2015, 10:25:07 PM »

Most cables will be approx. 100/200mtrs in length ........... therefore every 100/200mtrs there will be a cable joint

Could i ask at these joints is there a manhole cover for easy access ?

Yes, there is.  :)
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #243 on: July 19, 2015, 10:41:30 PM »

Most cables will be approx. 100/200mtrs in length ........... therefore every 100/200mtrs there will be a cable joint

Could i ask at these joints is there a manhole cover for easy access ?

Yes, there is.  :)

This is great information B*CAT so an HR fault is most likely be at the joints and each join has predetermine length with access at each that's good to know and the reason why a reflected pluse will show as a HR fault in a join and the engineer knows exactly which manhole cover to inspect  ;D
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #244 on: July 19, 2015, 10:46:45 PM »

I'm talking about overheard cable though :)
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« Reply #245 on: July 19, 2015, 11:09:49 PM »

I'm talking about overheard cable though :)

The Engineer will be with you to-morrow so ask him all these question and remember he has only a two hour slot and offer him tea or coffee and enjoy  :)
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« Reply #246 on: July 19, 2015, 11:25:37 PM »

I'm talking about overheard cable though :)

So you have an aerial D-side?

If the answer is yes, then there will still be joints at similar distances as B*Sheep has mentioned, above. The difference being that the joints will be located on the carrier poles. I like to think of the typical joint closures as a "giant's thimble". Take a look up at a few of the poles when you next have the time. I suspect you will see a couple of loops of cable that drop down from the pole top and then enter the joint closure from below. I've tried to take an image (from Google Map's Street View) to illustrate the type of joint closure -- see below.

Also attached, below, is the specification for one type of aerial distribution cable that is used.

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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #247 on: July 20, 2015, 07:40:12 AM »

Do you still have the Plink log from 14th June that you could post for comparison purposes?

Here is the Plink log from the 14th June at 0900 :)


See the attached animated gif for your connection.

This portrays the slight changes (deterioration) in attenuation, Hlog, QLN, SNR & therefore bitloading.

The increase in attenuation COULD be temperature related & the decreased SNR COULD be a result of that.

From studying various connection stats, it appears that SNR has to be around 10dB or more per tone for bitloading etc. to take place and the US attenuation cut-off point seems to be around 65dB or so.

Your U2 Line attenuation has increased from 64.6dB to 66.7dB.


That could explain the previous 'dodgy' looking Hlog graph as it was right on the edge of being able to make use of some of the tones or not.
Now that attenuation in the U2 band has increased slightly & noise levels have increased slightly (possibly temperature related and/or increased crosstalk), none of the band is now able to be used.


Resyncing the connection at a time when SNR/SNRM are at their peak may provide a temporary improvement, but as SNR/SNRM decrease during normal daily fluctuations, this would no doubt cause an increase in errors & DLM may have already determined a 'suitable' balance between stability & speed from its constant monitoring.


If there are no physical line issues such as HR faults etc., you may either be permanently stuck with lower sync speeds or as per my connection, you may see a slight improvement during winter.


As my line's attenuation is slightly worse than yours, I can't ever use the U2 band & I see the seasonal reduced bitloading effect etc. in the D2 band.


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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #248 on: July 20, 2015, 08:40:06 AM »

TalkTalk sent a voice engineer :wall:
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« Reply #249 on: July 20, 2015, 02:46:31 PM »

I've this afternoon received a call from a very nice man in Liverpool, one of TalkTalk's UK engineers.

A broadband engineer is being sent tomorrow and I have been asked for him to call TalkTalk - they will tell him what to do :)
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« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2015, 04:31:55 PM »

TalkTalk sent a voice engineer :wall:

D'oh!  :doh:
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #251 on: July 21, 2015, 09:33:37 AM »

Just had G.INP enabled.
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Re: FTTC woes
« Reply #252 on: July 21, 2015, 10:10:12 AM »

On upstream as well as downstream
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« Reply #253 on: July 21, 2015, 10:45:20 AM »

On upstream as well as downstream

Is that important?
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« Reply #254 on: July 21, 2015, 11:06:42 AM »

Interleaving depth has reduced significantly so we're now getting sub-10ms pings. That's good I suppose.
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