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[dee.jay]

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/12/openreach-trial-new-fttp-option-for-copper-lines-with-complex-faults.html

Interesting for some, maybe.

[Bowdon]

It's a good idea.

People need to be encouraged to FTTP as much as they can be. If its possible.

At some point, if its not already happening, OR need to start making copper based products more costly to sell to customers, so ISP's will prioritise FTTP.

[dee.jay]

It's a good idea.

People need to be encouraged to FTTP as much as they can be. If its possible.

At some point, if its not already happening, OR need to start making copper based products more costly to sell to customers, so ISP's will prioritise FTTP.

That's all well and good but not all of us can actually get FTTP yet - so yeah - as long as the money went back into FTTP locally? They'll argue it will be of course.

[gt94sss2]

At some point, if its not already happening, OR need to start making copper based products more costly to sell to customers, so ISP's will prioritise FTTP.

OR's copper prices are regulated but the stop-sell they introduce on copper products will have a similar effect

[Chrysalis]

It's a good idea.

People need to be encouraged to FTTP as much as they can be. If its possible.

At some point, if its not already happening, OR need to start making copper based products more costly to sell to customers, so ISP's will prioritise FTTP.

Remember some areas are and will remain copper only from Openreach.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Remember some areas are and will remain copper only from Openreach.

I thought it was rather implied that they meant "in areas where FTTP is available".  Of course, that's easier said than done as it makes ISP pricing a lot more tricky and especially having to deal with a customer who is in a FTTP area but their specific premises cannot get the service.

[Ad47uk]

It's a good idea.

People need to be encouraged to FTTP as much as they can be. If its possible.

At some point, if its not already happening, OR need to start making copper based products more costly to sell to customers, so ISP's will prioritise FTTP.

Why? It should be up to the consumer at the end of the day. Sure if everyone in a city is on fibre and there are only a few left on FTTC then maybe I agree with you, but until that happens, people should have the choice and not be forced to move by increasing prices for FTTC or making out that there is fault that can't be fixed.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Why? It should be up to the consumer at the end of the day. Sure if everyone in a city is on fibre and there are only a few left on FTTC then maybe I agree with you, but until that happens, people should have the choice and not be forced to move by increasing prices for FTTC or making out that there is fault that can't be fixed.

Because it costs more to maintain a copper service and consumers are putting up with an inferior service without even realising it.  Plus there are faults that can't be fixed.

At the very least, customers should be warned if they are experiencing a slower FTTC service when FTTP is available to them for the same price.

By not pushing people to FTTP, especially people still using the phone line for calls, its just going to result in a really bad situation later when POTS is retired and they're trying to migrate people over to VoIP, some on FTTC connections that are saturated so will perform poorly on VoIP.

[Ad47uk]

Because it costs more to maintain a copper service and consumers are putting up with an inferior service without even realising it.  Plus there are faults that can't be fixed.

At the very least, customers should be warned if they are experiencing a slower FTTC service when FTTP is available to them for the same price.

By not pushing people to FTTP, especially people still using the phone line for calls, its just going to result in a really bad situation later when POTS is retired and they're trying to migrate people over to VoIP, some on FTTC connections that are saturated so will perform poorly on VoIP.

Customers being told it is available, I have no problem with that as long as it is a one time thing and not blasting customers with emails.  I have VoIP already, had it for years and it works fine on FTTC, not that I use it so much these days.

FTTH is available here, via Openreach and Alt network, at the moment i am fine with FTTC, it does what I need.

[XGS_Is_On]

Oh goodie.

[dee.jay]

Oh no.

[j0hn]

Oh goodie.

Indeed.
The anti FTTP / conspiracy theories are repetitive and beyond tiring.

That's 3 websites I need to read the same nonsense on now.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Then we have the flip-side complaining because they put new poles up in their area.

[dee.jay]

Indeed.
The anti FTTP / conspiracy theories are repetitive and beyond tiring.

That's 3 websites I need to read the same nonsense on now.

Indeed

[XGS_Is_On]

Indeed.
The anti FTTP / conspiracy theories are repetitive and beyond tiring.

That's 3 websites I need to read the same nonsense on now.

This forum has an ignore function. ISPR I just don't use anymore as the comments section there is cancerous. TBB I use far, far less than I used to as he seems to post about 1/3rd of the entire forum content and I don't read it so what's the point?

Pity. Been using ISPR and TBB / ADSLGuide for 20-odd years. Oh well, never mind.

I'm very much hoping that this trial will also be followed by expediting FTTP delivery to areas where there are many copper faults well above the median. Make FTTP available, refuse to maintain the copper anymore, the business case improves substantially both due to higher take up and no more copper truck rolls.