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dave.m

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Re: No Connection
« Reply #165 on: August 19, 2008, 03:08:45 PM »

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Why is it that no matter what advice is given on here, you always find an excuse for not doing it?

Here you go again . . .   :(

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with all the work I will have, do you seriously think I have time to go around webpages changing email addresses and sending upto 300 people notifications?

To send out 300 emails notifying people of a new address would take about a hour at the most, using your address book batching them together.
As for the webpages, do they email you with news etc, because they should have a quick-click method of getting to your profile and altering it.
If you only use the email address as a username to log on then there is no problem.

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Re: No Connection
« Reply #166 on: August 19, 2008, 03:12:39 PM »

I will be emailing Tiscali to see if there is anymore they can do and if not to supply me with a MAC code,I will also call Sky toward the end of the week to see what they can do to get me on a Max package, as I have heard they will pay to have your BT line reconnected.

Thanks to everyone for their help.

I will keep you posted.

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Re: No Connection
« Reply #167 on: August 19, 2008, 03:44:32 PM »

Unfortunately for you..  you are seeing the one of the reasons why Tiscali is often thought of as a bad ISP.
Theyre ok if theres no problems and you just want your connection for surfing and mail.. but if you have any problems or want a bit more out of your connection then.... well...

adsl isnt like that, and everyone has problems on occasions, Im sure we all have. 
mr_chris and I used to be on the same exchange and many years ago when adsl was in its infancy, we had some major problems at this exchange, it was something unheard of before and it was affecting a lot of users.
I was collating a lot of info at the time about the fault and it was quite interesting to see how various ISPs reacted to this problem which was supposedly impossible. Of all the people on our exchange complaining whom were with various ISPs... There were only a few ISPs that actually reacted in any way to attempt to actually do something. 
1. Plusnet whom was my own ISP at the time. 
2. Zen - whom chris was with..
and iirc the other was either Eclipse or Pipex (before they were taken over by tiscali).

Back then I knew practically zilch about adsl.. I was a n00b and nothing to my ISP other than a new customer of a few weeks.. yet they kept taking it back to BT... 

to cut a long story short it was eventually resolved by BTw and we were all happy bunnies again... all except one user who throughout it all had complained long and hard to her ISP who did absolutley zilch, nada, nothing. 
So as far as the rest of us on numerous ISPs were happy again problem sorted...  she wasnt and was still getting much slower speeds than the rest of us..  She was with Tiscali.


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>> Thing I want to save money

Unfortunately thats the crux of it, a decent service does cost a little bit more.  You can apply that to anything in life..  you pays your money you makes your choice.  You either buy a pound of cheap mincemeat or a nice steak..  they may both come from the same cow  but theres a reason why one costs more.
At the end of the day if Morrisons keep selling meat thats rotten, then you move your custom elsewhere and go shop at Tescos in future.

>> Could I downgrade it to Dial Up? My father doesn't want to loose his email address as all of his accounts etc use that email address?

Possibly - I had a lineone email account and website (later taken over by tiscali), which I could still access for years.

>> Thing is, I will be doing GCSEs next year and wanted an easier router than changing ISP,

I once changed ISP's and ISP reliant email addresses smack bang in the middle of doing my final disseration (and bringing up a child and looking after a house on my own).  Yes its a PITA remembering them all.. but its doable.

The last time I changed ISPs (earlier this year) it was a doddle because I dont have mail etc reliant on the ISP. So consider the likes of gmail as an alternative if you dont want to go the expense of your own domain.

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The letter is fine. :)

I really do hope that Tiscali manage to sort this out for you, we have tried to help and support you all we can and give you advise and will continue to hope that they do..
Other than that your only option if they dont pull their finger out is to move on elsewhere to an ISP that would sort it.
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Re: No Connection
« Reply #168 on: August 19, 2008, 03:53:56 PM »

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I once changed ISP's and ISP reliant email addresses smack bang in the middle of doing my final disseration (and bringing up a child and looking after a house on my own).
  :'(

But you women always claim you can multi-task. Us fellas don't do it.   :no:  :no:

dave  :lol:
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« Reply #169 on: August 19, 2008, 04:06:52 PM »

OT Alert!

I'm not as good at it now as I used to be Im afraid.   Once upon a time I there used to always be music playing in the house..  but that stopped when I started coding.   For some reason I cant code and listen to music or the radio.
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« Reply #170 on: August 19, 2008, 05:05:40 PM »

Thanks kitz.

I will send the email tonight so that it should arrive in their inbox in the morning!

I will keep you updated as to what happens, and whether or not I go to Sky or the issues are fixed with Tiscali (which I hope they are).

As I have said before, £19.99 a month for Line Rental, Calls to UK and International and BBand isn't bad even though it doesn't do Tiscali's Finance Department any favours!
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Re: No Connection
« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2008, 12:38:19 AM »

One suggestion in case it eases thing's. If you don't use sig (or signature) for your emails then it may help in repetitive addtional info.

(to find it if not used already you click on insert when formulating a e-mail to be sent and it should be the first option)

Most would use this to have a...

Best regards
Joe Bloggs

at the end of each e-mail. However you can expand on this and bearing in mind you can set it to add this to each e-mail sent automaticaly, you can have other info like contact addresses, numbers and the like.

And then on from there say a big text point note stating, "by the way my new current working e-mail will be from now on..xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, please up date this to your records

For instance some people may have a second signature set up where they copy and paste the web address after say looking up their postcode from a site such as multimap.co.uk and in rural areas do the same again after licking on aerial photo so when e-mailing someone who may need to visit. they have a link to find your home and in the case of aerial photo, be able to look for visual clues around your area to visit.

I know this is a fudge around a wrong situation which you shouldn't be in, however should it come to this then it may make life just that little easyer

Well written letter by the way methinks
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« Reply #172 on: August 20, 2008, 05:23:31 PM »

Thanks Ezzer.

i will keep it in mind :)
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Re: No Connection
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2008, 12:43:15 PM »

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Your line has an attenuation of 29db and under normal circumstances I would expect you to be able to support a higher rate service, however, there is no such thing as "the norm" with Broadband. Your SNR is low for your line attenuation, and your attainable rate is not too good either, but confirms the 4MB profile is the correct one for your line.

29dB atten line should be capable of much more than 4Mb.   
The thing that concerns me is that the engineer reported no fault found and that he synced fine from the master socket using his equipment.

Did you ask about changing to an NTE faceplate as recommended in the checklist I prepared.  The NTE5 would make  future diagnostics far easier.  I'm surprised that the engineer didnt do so.

Are you always connected in the master socket - its very possible that the fault could be somewhere on the extension cabling.  BT will only check and test from the master socket - any internal wiring is your own responsibility.

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I changed your profile last night (17:30) to an adaptive 4MB profile to see if it would better cope with the changing SNR you're reporting. The stats you posted last night reflect this. This is the last change I can make for you,

I have concerns that when the engineer visited you were on the 4Mb profile which because of the surplus SNR may have been masking any problems such as error counts and SNR fluctuations

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We've exhausted all avenues for diagnostics and checked everything we possibly can. Your current downstream speed is acceptable as is your current Upstream for the profile you are on. /snip/
but I have to draw the line somewhere. We will not be able to offer you further assistance through the forums.

Tiscali deem that 4Mb is acceptable for your line and pardon the pun, but "drawn a line" to giving you any further assistance.

Doesnt explain why you were previously capable of getting much higher speeds. :-\
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« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2008, 03:58:53 PM »

I am now always connecting at the master socket and my SNR is 2147483646dB!

I have emailed complaints as the Forums team just ignore my posts now, they obviously couldn't care less about trying to do something, other people have had engineers, Port Changes, Cab checks the lot!

As they are getting an attenuation of 29dB and my router reports 30dB, I though I would try with a modem, just to check make sure the router hadn't gone, same readings and as it was a modem, it dropped out a lot more >:(

I asked the engineer if he would fit a new master and he said he didn't have one with him?  :-\

BT have installed the extension I run the Broadband off, its the round like white cable, i understand its better quality?

What I can't understand, I sync at the full 4meg on a 4 & 6meg profile yet they still claim my line isn't capable of more?

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Re: No Connection
« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2008, 08:51:16 PM »

I think the problem with your case probably is that although we all know that your line should be capable (and has been capable) of more...  to tiscali 4Mb is a reasonable sync speed. :/

>> I asked the engineer if he would fit a new master and he said he didn't have one with him? 
:(

>> its the round like white cable, i understand its better quality?

Its supposed to be yes..  but its still capable of picking up interfence.
I cant remember if Ive mentioned this before... probably have but you have tried removing the ring-wire?
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm
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« Reply #176 on: August 21, 2008, 09:09:18 PM »

Ye did the ring - wire, made no diff ???

I will be honest, the forums team are great, although I hate to say this, support do get things done better!!  :police:

Although they are in India, writing a letter always gets a reply from the UK, so they understand the issues better.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that they will do something, not just mess with profiles, as I added to the email that I want them to investigate more thouorghly than changing a Line Profile :no:

Will it be likely that another engineer will be needed, after sorting the profile not to mask the SNR?
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Re: No Connection
« Reply #177 on: August 21, 2008, 10:09:21 PM »

Hold on a mo' "Your SNR is low for your line attenuation" where did that one come from ?
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« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2008, 09:20:55 AM »

This from Tiscali:-
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Hi,

I'll try and answer your questions:
Firstly, I don't know why the BT engineer said what you say he said as this will be impossible. They cannot monitor your Internet service as you are not connected to their Internet service.

Your line has an attenuation of 29db and under normal circumstances I would expect you to be able to support a higher rate service, however, there is no such thing as "the norm" with Broadband. Your SNR is low for your line attenuation, and your attainable rate is not too good either, but confirms the 4MB profile is the correct one for your line. These are the stats from our network interface monitoring tool:
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Downstream SNR: 10 db
Downstream Attenuation: 29 db
Downstream Attainable Rate: 4756 kbps
Downstream Current Rate: 4096 kbps
Downstream Interleave Delay: 8 ms

I would suggest from these stats that your line (although a good length) is of poor quality. I changed your profile last night (17:30) to an adaptive 4MB profile to see if it would better cope with the changing SNR you're reporting. The stats you posted last night reflect this. This is the last change I can make for you, I have nothing left. We have eliminated the exchange equipment and sent you a broadband specialist from BT. He reported back no problem found (this would usually result in a bill for £150.00 + vat being sent to you, but we've agreed to waive this). The only thing thing remaining is a possible problem with the internal wiring (your house, extensions, micro filters etc), but I expect you've eliminated this from previous diagnostics with Paul.

As for who you should write to next, I can't say.
All I can say is there is nothing further my team can do for you. We've exhausted all avenues for diagnostics and checked everything we possibly can. Your current downstream speed is acceptable as is your current Upstream for the profile you are on.
I know this is not the answer your looking for, but I have to draw the line somewhere. We will not be able to offer you further assistance through the forums.
I'm sorry.
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My SNR is most of the time reporting 2147483646dB or 1dB. I therefore reported Low SNRs to Tiscali and that is how the engineer got sent out. They are now saying the above.
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Re: No Connection
« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2008, 04:39:25 PM »

I have just noticed that I am getting loads of HEC errors!
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AR7 DSL Modem Statistics:
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[DSL Modem Stats]
        US Connection Rate:     256     DS Connection Rate:     4096
        DS Line Attenuation:    30      DS Margin:              2147483647
        US Line Attenuation:    16      US Margin:              30
        US Payload :            21937776        DS Payload:             24128721
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        US Superframe Cnt :     1570342 DS Superframe Cnt:      1570342
        US Transmit Power :     11      DS Transmit Power:      19
        LOS errors:             0       SEF errors:             0
        Errored Seconds:        0       Severely Err Secs:      0
        Frame mode:             3       Max Frame mode:         0
        Trained Path:           1       US Peak Cell Rate:      603
        Trained Mode:           3       Selected Mode:          1
        ATUC Vendor Code:       4946544E        ATUC Revision:  2
        Hybrid Selected:        1       Trellis:                1
        Showtime Count:         1       DS Max Attainable Bit Rate: 5696 kbps
        BitSwap:                1       US Max Attainable Bit Rate:     n/a
        Annex:                  AnxA    psd_mask_qualifier: 0x0000
        ATUC ghsVid:  b5 00 49 46 54 4e 71 53
        T1413Vid: 00 00         T1413Rev: 00            VendorRev: 00
        ATUR ghsVid:  44 4c 69 6e 6b 00 00 00
        T1413Vid: 00 00 T1413Rev: 00    VendorRev: 00

        [Upstream (TX) Interleave path]
        CRC:    1       FEC:    0       NCD:    0
        LCD:    0       HEC:    0

        [Downstream (RX) Interleave path]
        CRC:    55872   FEC:    52844481        NCD:    0
        LCD:    0       HEC:    0

        [Upstream (TX) Fast path]
        CRC:    0       FEC:    0       NCD:    1
        LCD:    0       HEC:    0

        [Downstream (RX) Fast path]
        CRC:    0       FEC:    0       NCD:    0
        LCD:    0       HEC:    0

[ATM Stats]
        [Upstream/TX]
        Good Cell Cnt:  457037
        Idle Cell Cnt:  15661190

        Tx Packets Dropped Count:       0
        Tx Bad Packets Count:   0

        [Downstream/RX)]
        Good Cell Cnt:  5026817
        Idle Cell Cnt:  252813938
        Bad Hec Cell Cnt:       50795
        Overflow Dropped Cell Cnt:      0
        Rx Packets Dropped Count:       0
        Rx Bad Packets Count:   0


[SAR AAL5 Stats]
        Tx PDU's:       129951
        Rx PDU's:       199057
        Tx Total Bytes: 15541166
        Rx Total Bytes: 232084635
        Tx Total Error Counts:  0
        Rx Total Error Counts:  2202


[OAM Stats]
        Near End F5 Loop Back Count:    0
        Near End F4 Loop Back Count:    0
        Far End F5 Loop Back Count:     0
        Far End F4 Loop Back Count:     0
        SAR OAM Ping Response Drop Count=15

My attainable rate has gone up though, and my Transmit Power seems fine at 19db? Also seems that the line is interleaved?
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