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Author Topic: I have G.INP on ECI  (Read 229465 times)

NewtronStar

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #195 on: March 22, 2016, 06:49:05 PM »

I'm assuming that unless anything drastic happens with skyeci's line, then he will get g.inp again once all the other updates have been done.  In a similar way to how the Huawei catchups for DLM resets didnt start to occur until about a month or so afterwards.

And then the G.INP Mk1 rollout was halted in may and we had to wait another 3 months (August) for the Mk2 to arrive minus G.INP on the upstream  :( , Its something I won't forget in a hurry and all I did was change ISP provider.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #196 on: March 22, 2016, 06:51:45 PM »

stats as promised:

Chipset:                Lantiq™ XWAY™ VRX268
Firmware Version:       5.7.4.3.0.6
API Version:            4.16.6.3
MEI Version:            1.4.8.5
Power Management Mode:  L0 - Synchronized
Line State:             UP [0x801: showtime_tc_sync]
Line Uptime:            8h 52m 32s
Resyncs:                2
DSLAM/MSAN VID:         IFTN
XTSE Capabilities:      0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x2
Annex:                  B
Line Mode:              G.993.2 (VDSL2)
Profile:                17a
Trellis:                D: ON / U: ON
Bitswap:                D: ON / U: OFF
G.INP:                  D: Enabled / U: Not Enabled
Virtual Noise Support:  D: Not Supported / U: Not Supported
Attain Data Rate:       62.042 Mb/s / 18.346 Mb/s
Actual Data Rate:       62.354 Mb/s / 18.163 Mb/s
Impulse Noise Prot:     44.0 sym / 0.0 sym
Interleave Delay:       0.22 ms / 0.0 ms
NFEC:                   32 / 255
RFEC:                   16 / 16
LSYMB:                  16 / 4870
Interleave Depth:       1 / 1
Interleave Block:       32 / 255
LPATH:                  0 / 0
Line Attenuation:       17.8dB / 22.1dB
Signal Attenuation:     17.7dB / 22.0dB
Noise Margin:           5.9dB / 6.1dB
Transmit power:         13.4dBm / 6.6dBm
FECS:                   0 / 338
ES:                     62 / 15324
SES:                    0 / 1
LOSS:                   5 / 326
UAS:                    65 / 65
HEC:                    0 / 0
CRC_P:                  0 / 0
CRCP_P:                 0 / 0
15m Code Violations:    0 / 1
15m FEC Errors:         0 / 3
1d Code Violations:     22 / 80
1d FEC Errors:          7533958 / 949

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #197 on: March 22, 2016, 07:02:31 PM »

Attached is my HG612 stats from this morning, before I switched to the Vigor.

Thanks added those in, although I dont have any pre-stats to compare with..   but your R&N values have been added.  Like skyeci's was, your overhead for redundancy is 5%.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #198 on: March 22, 2016, 07:07:06 PM »

stats as promised:

Chipset:                Lantiq™ XWAY™ VRX268


Ohh... is that an ECI modem there?
Do you have any stats from before the g.inp update for comparison please?
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #199 on: March 22, 2016, 07:18:33 PM »

Attached is my HG612 stats from this morning, before I switched to the Vigor.

Thanks added those in, although I dont have any pre-stats to compare with..   but your R&N values have been added.  Like skyeci's was, your overhead for redundancy is 5%.

Thanks Kitz; interestingly 5% is almost spot on the difference between the HG612 synch and the now much improved Lantiq based Vigor synch. Prior to G.INP the HG612 easily beat any Lantiq based device (ECI, HH5A, Vigor2760) tried on my line. Now the situation has reversed!
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #200 on: March 22, 2016, 07:20:58 PM »

stats as promised:

Chipset:                Lantiq™ XWAY™ VRX268


Ohh... is that an ECI modem there?
Do you have any stats from before the g.inp update for comparison please?

It is.
It's ECI /r 1.2 running Openwrt (my own build, openwrt trunk from late January) based on jsamuel's work (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15918.0.html)
 
my last sync before GINP kicked in this morning was 53940/18392 with interleaving around 800ish. You can see it on the graph on my previous post.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #201 on: March 22, 2016, 07:36:43 PM »

I have one  Jsamuel converted for me  but have not actually used it. Tempted but really dont want to swap modems at the moment. Its a shame it cant upload the stats to mydsl as I would use it if it could.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #202 on: March 22, 2016, 08:31:36 PM »

Attached is my HG612 stats from this morning, before I switched to the Vigor.

Thanks added those in, although I dont have any pre-stats to compare with..   but your R&N values have been added.  Like skyeci's was, your overhead for redundancy is 5%.

Thanks Kitz; interestingly 5% is almost spot on the difference between the HG612 synch and the now much improved Lantiq based Vigor synch. Prior to G.INP the HG612 easily beat any Lantiq based device (ECI, HH5A, Vigor2760) tried on my line. Now the situation has reversed!

Do I recall that BT OR assumed that all HG612 modems were attached to Huawei cabinets?

Is it possible an assumption has been made that all ECI modems are attached to ECI cabinets?
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #203 on: March 22, 2016, 11:51:51 PM »

Tony - change appreciated, thanks.

Kitz - thanks for keeping track.

Tomorrow I should be back on a computer where I can read MDWS properly, and compare some of the new lines. Tablets are fine for some things, but not proper work...
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #204 on: March 23, 2016, 12:34:07 AM »

I've joined the club now too! Stats should be on MDWS switched over lunchtime ish Tues.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #205 on: March 23, 2016, 04:05:19 AM »

But I can comment on the text of rp00's line statistics...

- INP=44 is a new value, lower than I've seen before, I think.

- The R and N values (labeled RFEC and NFEC here?) seem to be 16 and 32. At 50% overhead, this seems huge ... but they match the settings on my Billion 8800NL for bearer 1. Is this a translation issue with OpenWrt?

- Likewise the interleaving depth and block size are 1x32, which are the right scale to be bearer 1 too. On my Billion, I get 3x32 on bearer 1, so perhaps ECI cabs don't do interleaving on bearer 1 either.

For comparison, bearer 0 on my Billion, on a Huawei, has
R=8, N=139
Interleaving D=16, I=139.

- The interleaving delay is reported to be 0.22ms, which matches my calculations for my Broadcom modem on a Huawei cab. I wonder how the interleaving delay can be anything when depth is 1?
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #206 on: March 23, 2016, 06:59:03 AM »

But I can comment on the text of rp00's line statistics...

- INP=44 is a new value, lower than I've seen before, I think.


FWIW, INP was 41 for both DS & US on my connection for a while (back in April/May 2015)

« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 07:02:13 AM by Bald_Eagle1 »
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atkinsong

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #207 on: March 23, 2016, 08:12:16 AM »

But I can comment on the text of rp00's line statistics...

- INP=44 is a new value, lower than I've seen before, I think.

- The R and N values (labeled RFEC and NFEC here?) seem to be 16 and 32. At 50% overhead, this seems huge ... but they match the settings on my Billion 8800NL for bearer 1. Is this a translation issue with OpenWrt?

- Likewise the interleaving depth and block size are 1x32, which are the right scale to be bearer 1 too. On my Billion, I get 3x32 on bearer 1, so perhaps ECI cabs don't do interleaving on bearer 1 either.

For comparison, bearer 0 on my Billion, on a Huawei, has
R=8, N=139
Interleaving D=16, I=139.

- The interleaving delay is reported to be 0.22ms, which matches my calculations for my Broadcom modem on a Huawei cab. I wonder how the interleaving delay can be anything when depth is 1?

These values reported by my VRX288 based Vigor are:-

INP            230
RFEC           16
NFEC           32
INTLVDep      1
INTLVBlock   32
INTLVDelay   0.26

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #208 on: March 23, 2016, 08:44:25 AM »

I've decided to try the latest vdsl firmware blob I could find (apparently with vectoring support): gained another 2Mb :)

https://i.imgur.com/Gv5A2NN.png

new stats:
Chipset:                Lantiq™ XWAY™ VRX268
Firmware Version:       5.7.5.5.1.7
API Version:            4.16.6.3
MEI Version:            1.4.8.5
Power Management Mode:  L0 - Synchronized
Line State:             UP [0x801: showtime_tc_sync]
Line Uptime:            7h 24m 6s
Resyncs:                1
DSLAM/MSAN VID:         ECI
XTSE Capabilities:      0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x2
Annex:                  B
Line Mode:              G.993.2 (VDSL2)
Profile:                17a
Trellis:                D: ON / U: ON
Bitswap:                D: ON / U: OFF
G.INP:                  D: Enabled / U: Not Enabled
Virtual Noise Support:  D: Not Supported / U: Not Supported
Attain Data Rate:       64.762 Mb/s / 18.292 Mb/s
Actual Data Rate:       64.170 Mb/s / 18.171 Mb/s
Impulse Noise Prot:     43.0 sym / 0.0 sym
Interleave Delay:       0.22 ms / 0.0 ms
NFEC:                   32 / 255
RFEC:                   16 / 16
LSYMB:                  16 / 4872
Interleave Depth:       1 / 1
Interleave Block:       32 / 255
LPATH:                  0 / 0
Line Attenuation:       17.8dB / 22.1dB
Signal Attenuation:     17.8dB / 22.0dB
Noise Margin:           6.1dB / 6.1dB
Transmit power:         13.4dBm / 6.6dBm
FECS:                   0 / 44142327
ES:                     4 / 15383
SES:                    0 / 1
LOSS:                   0 / 351
UAS:                    29 / 29
HEC:                    0 / 0
CRC_P:                  0 / 0
CRCP_P:                 0 / 0
15m Code Violations:    0 / 2
15m FEC Errors:         0 / 11
1d Code Violations:     20 / 38
1d FEC Errors:          0 / 29857


I'm very impressed how well it works now.

One thing I've noticed, bitswap is not enabled on upload since G.INP, I'm pretty sure it was ON before that. Does it matter?
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #209 on: March 23, 2016, 01:12:49 PM »

But I can comment on the text of rp00's line statistics...

I was looking at these last night and started scratching my head as I noticed some of the bearer 0 and bearer 1 figures were possibly mixed up and I too got an RS OH of 50% which I thought could not be right.   I'd got a headache so went to bed and left it. Glad that you find them strange too. 

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- INP=44 is a new value, lower than I've seen before, I think.

We dont have anyone else on 44 on the ECIs.  However, for some reason that figure rings a bell.   
Was that the default figure that they put on the Hueweis if the modem couldnt fully support G.INP and which gave a ridiculous overhead and why people lost so much sync speed? I'm pretty certain Ive seen 44 before when g.inp mk1 went tits up. 

ETA - I just noticed that some others have since commented on this value.


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The R and N values (labeled RFEC and NFEC here?) seem to be 16 and 32. At 50% overhead, this seems huge ... but they match the settings on my Billion 8800NL for bearer 1. Is this a translation issue with OpenWrt?

Yep.  same conclusion that the downstream R & N values are reporting from Bearer 1.
The downstream values match my bearer 1 figures, the upstream match my own bearer 0 figures.     


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Likewise the interleaving depth and block size are 1x32, which are the right scale to be bearer 1 too. On my Billion, I get 3x32 on bearer 1, so perhaps ECI cabs don't do interleaving on bearer 1 either.
 

Whilst my bearer 1 block size is 32, I like you have a depth of 3, indicating that the ECI cabs are capable of interleaving on bearer 1.  So this is either a reporting issue or ECI modems behaving differently.

I'll zip and attach my plink stats for both pre g.inp and post g.inp so you can see everything.

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- The interleaving delay is reported to be 0.22ms, which matches my calculations for my Broadcom modem on a Huawei cab. I wonder how the interleaving delay can be anything when depth is 1?

Its looking more likely that its possibly the firmware pulling some figures from bearer 0 and some from bearer 1.    If Bearer0 =1 (which is what it should be) 1 and if Bearer1 is 3 and not the reported 1, then it would all tie up.



I put rp00's stats in the table as best I could.  The attainable figures aren't quite accurate but interpreted as best I could from the graph.  Note the massive jump on the sync speed, but not so big on the attainable - it looks like that the additional sync speed was always there, just possibly eaten up by RS overhead. 
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