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Author Topic: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice  (Read 4041 times)

cappa

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SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« on: February 23, 2023, 03:11:29 PM »

I play CSGO and im with Sky FTTP 150 package.

I'm from Belfast Northern Ireland and the CSGO server is in London. My latency is 51ms which i believe is pretty high for an FTTP connection.

This is where my understanding might be a little off.
I'm wondering if I can get my latency lower than 51ms?

I understand latency is based on how far my computer is from the game server or is it the exchange I'm connected to with ISP?

Also would a VPN connecting through London solve this?
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Starman

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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2023, 03:16:50 PM »

Curious do you have the IP address of the server concerned to perform a traceroute?
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cappa

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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2023, 03:25:27 PM »

i do indeed

162.254.196.85

when i use cmd in windows it comes back 18ms and ttl 60
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2023, 03:33:51 PM »

Can you please run a trace within cmd window -
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tracert 162.254.196.85
Do you play over Wi-Fi or Wired connection?

As an example here's mine via BT FTTP -

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Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  gateway [192.168.1.254]
  2     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  172.16.13.246
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4     4 ms     3 ms     3 ms  31.55.185.184
  5     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  core2-hu0-2-0-5.colindale.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.127.116]
  6     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  peer8-et-7-0-4.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.176]
  7     6 ms     7 ms     4 ms  109.159.253.167
  8     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]

Trace complete.
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cappa

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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2023, 03:53:12 PM »

Can you please run a trace within cmd window -
Code: [Select]
tracert 162.254.196.85
Do you play over Wi-Fi or Wired connection?

As an example here's mine via BT FTTP -

Code: [Select]
Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  gateway [192.168.1.254]
  2     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  172.16.13.246
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4     4 ms     3 ms     3 ms  31.55.185.184
  5     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  core2-hu0-2-0-5.colindale.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.127.116]
  6     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  peer8-et-7-0-4.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.176]
  7     6 ms     7 ms     4 ms  109.159.253.167
  8     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]

Trace complete.


I'm wired

Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  SkyRouter.Home [192.168.0.1]
  2     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  97e7fc1c.skybroadband.com [151.231.252.28]
  3    18 ms    17 ms    17 ms  02780d20.bb.sky.com [2.120.13.32]
  4    30 ms    35 ms    17 ms  162-254-196-144.valve.net [162.254.196.144]
  5    18 ms    18 ms    18 ms  162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]

Trace complete.
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cappa

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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2023, 08:54:47 PM »

What do these results mean?
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2023, 09:09:05 PM »

david@ns1:/etc/snmp$ traceroute 162.254.196.85
traceroute to 162.254.196.85 (162.254.196.85), 64 hops max
  1   192.168.144.254  0.267ms  0.138ms  0.133ms
  2   90.155.53.211  14.471ms  9.233ms  14.111ms
  3   90.155.53.101  9.533ms  14.620ms  10.037ms
  4   195.66.226.130  15.012ms  10.148ms  16.081ms
  5   192.168.134.197  10.821ms  13.020ms  12.579ms
  6   162.254.196.85  12.299ms  12.319ms  12.227ms

Wired from 100Mbits bonded FTTC in South Wales ^^
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2023, 09:46:55 PM »

What do these results mean?

Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit, Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2023, 10:37:39 PM »

Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit, Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.

Other than physically moving house....
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2023, 09:29:16 AM »

Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit, Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.

agreed, my traceroute is the same as the OP
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2023, 02:55:55 PM »

Thanks everyone for the suggestions and guidance.

I decided to look at tweaking my network adapter to see what I can achieve.
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2023, 03:49:23 PM »

I decided to look at tweaking my network adapter to see what I can achieve.
I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2023, 07:08:02 PM »

I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?
That would seem eminently sensible to be honest.
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2023, 12:23:46 AM »

I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?

Can you explain what the traceroute is showing us on each hop?
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Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2023, 11:41:40 AM »

Can you explain what the traceroute is showing us on each hop?

This may assist - https://resrequest.helpspot.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=437
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