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Author Topic: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?  (Read 31038 times)

burakkucat

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #120 on: August 29, 2016, 05:04:16 PM »

Hmm . . . :hmm:

The Hlog plot of August 28th shows what we believe to be a bridging tap.

The Hlog plot of August 29th has the same underlying feature with added erratics. I speculate that intermittent contact to the circuit may perhaps be the origin. Intermittent contact by one or more wires that are either part of another working circuit or are "spares".  :-\
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #121 on: August 29, 2016, 06:10:05 PM »

Thanks burakkucat

Haven't had a resync for a couple of hours now - and Hlog is looking slightly better but still afflicted.

Noted that DLM has upped the DS interleaving to 16 and backed of G.INP to 48 from 52, now looks more banded at exactly 60/20
The mysterious sky-high Zyxel FEC count has returned too after being conspicuously absent over the last couple of days.

I have another boost visit arranged for a week Thursday (must be busy) - wonder if the symptoms will clear up just in time for the visit  ;)

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #122 on: August 29, 2016, 06:17:52 PM »

Both the Hlog and QLN pots are only updated at the time of a (re-)synchronisation event. They do not undergo a constant update process.
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #123 on: August 29, 2016, 06:22:14 PM »

Both the Hlog and QLN pots are only updated at the time of a (re-)synchronisation event. They do not undergo a constant update process.

Indeed, I am though comparing the view from my last resync around 4pm with the earlier screenshot from a resync around 1pm, attached for clarity

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #124 on: September 08, 2016, 12:35:27 PM »

So, boost engineer visit is complete and I'm very happy with the results.
Guy was very thorough (3.5hrs on site) and ended up sorting it by completing a pair swap for me onto what he said was the only copper back to the cab, seems all my issues were due to being on 300m of aluminium.
Just going to leave things well alone now and wait for things to settle down DLM-wise after so many retrains this morning - new stats are up on MDWS for all to see have included before and after HLOG plots below..
Chuffed to bits

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #125 on: September 08, 2016, 02:32:17 PM »

Much better. That is a good result.  :)

[Edited to correct the spelling.]
« Last Edit: September 14, 2016, 04:37:25 PM by burakkucat »
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #126 on: September 08, 2016, 03:05:14 PM »

Much batter. That is a good result.  :)
It is amazing what a difference a good run of copper can make, I got lucky - am under no illusions there.
Big thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, hoping I can draw a line under this now after a year!
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #127 on: September 08, 2016, 03:31:22 PM »

It is amazing that 300m of aluminium can make roll similar to bridge tap roll.
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #128 on: September 08, 2016, 03:35:42 PM »

It is amazing that 300m of aluminium can make roll similar to bridge tap roll.
I'm assuming the possible bridged tap still exists on that run of aluminium - but will happily defer to those better informed than me if it's an impossibility with aluminium..

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #129 on: September 08, 2016, 03:37:11 PM »

It is amazing that 300m of aluminium can make roll similar to bridge tap roll.

Indeed, yes. Previously, I would not have expected it but now we have seen the actual evidence.

(Of course there is still that slight abnormality visible at the high frequency end of the Hlog plot but that is best ignored. I don't think, under the circumstances, that the circuit could be improved any more.  :-\  )
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #130 on: September 08, 2016, 03:40:54 PM »

I think that this slight abnormality is caused by measurements errors. After one resynchronization event with target SNR margin 15 dB I had no slight abnormalities.
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #131 on: September 08, 2016, 03:42:49 PM »

Indeed, yes. Previously, I would not have expected it but now we have seen the actual evidence.

(Of course there is still that slight abnormality visible at the high frequency end of the Hlog plot but that is best ignored. I don't think, under the circumstances, that the circuit could be improved any more.  :-\  )
DLM should lower the interleaving depth and apply G.INP at a guess but am at almost maximum possible sync speed so I don't know..

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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #132 on: September 08, 2016, 04:04:46 PM »

DLM should lower the interleaving depth and apply G.INP at a guess but am at almost maximum possible sync speed so I don't know..

The best course of action would be to just wait and keep watch.  ;)
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2016, 06:51:04 PM »

I'm assuming the possible bridged tap still exists on that run of aluminium - but will happily defer to those better informed than me if it's an impossibility with aluminium..

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The 'Bridged tap' IMHO, is most likely a contact fault with a non-working pair.
If it was a working pair, there would be either a battery or earth fault ..... size of which would be dependant on the resistance between the two pairs. 
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Re: Weird Infinity Issue - possible HR fault?
« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2016, 11:42:51 AM »

G.INP was applied 2 days after the boost visit and all is now looking very rosy indeed.

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