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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2011, 10:00:55 AM »
Hmmm -   What if I take peep at the RF3 and maybe "remove" and see what happens?
Then "if" things get better I could either put it back and ask OR to remove it "officially"
or just leave it off and say nothing :)
The OR chap that fitted it did say it could reduce connection a bit.
If "removing" makes no difference I guess I will have to soldier on until "fibre" arrives in December.
Either way it does look like my REIN has gone :clap2:
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2011, 03:39:09 PM »
Well, we can not possibly advise you to "fiddle" with things on the OR side of the NTE5/A but I know what I would do (as an inquisitive feline  ::)  ).
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2011, 08:21:26 PM »
Well before I might "fiddle" I just may wait a bit as something odd appers to be going on :-\
Ive had a shed load of re-syncs today (after all looked good) and I have a bad feeling :'(

DSL Link Errors

Collected for 1Day1:23:50
   Since    Current    Current    Time Since
   Reset    24-hr int.    15-min int.    Last Event
ATM
Last Event
Cell Header Errors    939    1    0    0:31:44
Loss of cell Delineation    802    0    0    1:33:55

DSL
Link Retrains:    10    0    0    1:33:54
DSL Training Errors:    12    0    0    1:33:36
Training Timeouts:    0    0    0    0:00:00
Loss of Framing Failures:    20    0    0    1:33:55
Loss of Signal Failures:    20    0    0    1:33:55
Loss of Power Failures:    0    0    0    0:00:00
Loss of Margin Failures:    20    0    0    1:33:55
Cum. Seconds w/Errors:    90    1    0    0:31:44
Cum. Sec. w/Severe Errors:    21    0    0    1:33:55
Corrected Blocks:    238294    7191    230    0:00:01
Uncorrectable Blocks:    939    1    0    0:31:44
DSL Unavailable Seconds:    386    0    0    1:33:22


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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 09:17:31 PM »
Apart from "something doesn't look right", I'm not sure what else I could say. Just "hang on in there" and wait to see if Jeff has an opinion.

After all that has now occurred, I know that I would not be happy with your situation. :'(
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2011, 06:47:06 AM »
I forgot to mention I set RS to sample at 15 seconds now so maybe that gives a different slant ???
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2011, 10:01:19 AM »
Hi
puzzling   :-\

Can telnet router and collect same data using ,and compare the Telnet and the Non telnet graphs .
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2011, 10:11:51 AM »
jeffbb - if I can telnet that I dont know how :D

Thats a bit beyond me tbh. RS gives me enough trouble understanding as it is :)
Ive sent latest picc to the BT chap to keep informed so will see what unravels.  ::)
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2011, 05:04:07 PM »
Hi
Have you had a look at the router Log ?
Do you have the same tabs on your version of RS as on attachment?
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2011, 10:28:43 PM »
Quote from: jeffbb on October 03, 2011, 05:04:07 PM
Do you have the same tabs on your version of RS as on attachment?

jeffbb - Yes they are the same- - - pity I dont have the same sync :D
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2011, 10:39:14 PM »
Hi
have you looked at the router log ? the button to the left of the home button.
Any info ?
Regards Jeff
Edit  what router are you using ? (cannot remember  :()
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 10:04:23 AM »
jeffbb - - its 2-wire 2701-hgv-c
OK- - I found view routers log immmediately to left of home but its empty ???
However, the next left shows "view log" and on choosing the 2nd October at 13.54 i show lost sync - 0db noise margin :(

Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:54:16   Rx-Noise=7.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=3008   Tx-Sync=448   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:54:36   Rx-Noise=7.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=3008   Tx-Sync=448   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:54:58   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=10.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:55:15   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=0.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:55:36   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=60.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:56:12   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=0.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=3   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:56:19   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=3040   Tx-Sync=416   
Sun 02 Oct 2011  13:56:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=3040   Tx-Sync=416

It also shows similar for the other times of lost sync

Something else of note is that I see the upstream sync rate is significantly lower than it used to be.
It was usually 448kbps or similar but now its mostly 128kbps. Not sure why that is  ???
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2011, 01:42:30 PM »
Hi
there seems to be an awful lot more going on than can be seen on the graphs :(
what does the log show for Good quiet periods ?
quote: Something else of note is that I see the upstream sync rate is significantly lower than it used to be.
It was usually 448kbps or similar but now its mostly 128kbps. Not sure why that is  ???
wonder if that may be a clue ?

is that shown in the log ,your sample shows 446 ?

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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2011, 04:03:26 PM »
Copy from day OR chap thought problem was solved?
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:37:36   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:37:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:38:16   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:38:36   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:38:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:39:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:39:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:39:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:40:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:40:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:40:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:41:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:41:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:41:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:42:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:42:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:42:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:43:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:43:39   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=13.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=448   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:43:56   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=12.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:44:17   Rx-Noise=0.0   Tx-Noise=12.0   Rx-Sync=   Tx-Sync=   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:44:44   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:44:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:45:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:45:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:45:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:46:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:46:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:46:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:47:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:47:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:47:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:48:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:48:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:48:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:49:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:49:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:49:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:50:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:50:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:50:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:51:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:51:37   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:51:57   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288   
Wed 28 Sep 2011  20:52:17   Rx-Noise=6.0   Tx-Noise=6.0   Rx-Sync=2912   Tx-Sync=288
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 04:05:33 PM »
And today:

Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:57:43   Rx-Noise=7.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:57:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:58:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:58:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:58:43   Rx-Noise=7.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:58:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:59:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:59:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:59:43   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  15:59:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:00:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:00:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:00:43   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:00:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:01:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:01:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:01:43   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:01:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:02:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:02:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:02:43   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:02:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:03:13   Rx-Noise=7.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:03:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:03:43   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:03:58   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:04:13   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:04:28   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
Tue 04 Oct 2011  16:04:44   Rx-Noise=8.0   Tx-Noise=5.0   Rx-Sync=2976   Tx-Sync=128   
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Re: Come REIN or SHINE! Ideas?
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2011, 06:31:55 PM »
Hi
Makes me wonder if its related to your upstream .The day that it was" fixed " your upstream dropped to 288 now 128 . The odd thing is that The US noise margin has also dropped 13,6,5. Normally if there was no extra noise then the SNR margin should increase with a lower synch rate .  The US noise margin seems to be unstable .Can you set up RS to graph the US Synch rate  and the US SNR margin .Can you keep an eye on US attenuation.

Regards Jeff
128 and 288 look suspiciously like some capping ? Never heard of it BUT ?
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