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[kitz]

YAY..  well done the community of Enfield.  Brave people taking matters into their own hands.  Be safe.



http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=235412543164866&set=a.234828229889964.56581.234774236562030&type=1

[camallison]

No Kitz, not in the least racist, but just a plain statement of fact.  You must remember though that they are "underprivileged and entitled to do this sort of thing".

I find the whole thing sickening - most if not all of us on here have pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps and earned an honest living, despite what life may have thrown at us.

Colin

[scottiesmum]

I understood that the thugs didn't  actually get in the Arndale Centre, but that might be old news.  I'm currently listening to BBC Radio  ......   a taxi driver is speaking, he was chased by a crowd of thugs with iron bars, he had a fare on board, he had to drive on the pavement to escape and police escorted him to drop off the passengers and then home.   

Another witness reports a family  !!!  pulling up outside a Lidl shop in Salford which had been  broken into, the parents and two children  !!!!! filled up the boot and drove off .....   it is unbelievable.

I agree the Blackberry reseau should be taken off  (or at least closed down between  6pm and 6am)  .... I didn't realise, until earlier today, that Blackberry messages were actually not on an open network like Twitter !    My sentiments entirely about them having these fancy phones Kitz.....   these are not deprived people   ...they are thieves and thugs .   

I think if the Government are anxious about bringing in the military, they should be at least brought in to contain the thugs that are rounded up, leaving the police to get on with their policing. They need to be using a more heavy handed approach now.

I'm just listening to the manager of the Arndale Centre now Unc  ... apparently    "because contingency plans had been put in place earlier, stock removed from shops etc " .... they apparently  " got through the first line of defences, but then left without anything  "  .......  goodness it sounds like a war zone.

[kitz]

YAY..  and another one.... go people of the UK.

Millwall fans protecting Eltham High Street.



http://twitpic.com/63k6tg

[sevenlayermuddle]

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if all the trouble is better organised than we gave credit for.  The BBC earlier reported that printed leaflets had been distributed, giving legal advice to miscreants on how to avoid prosecution.    Who on Earth printed them?

Further, I've just heard an account  (third hand, I'm afraid, so there's scope for distortion by chinese whispers) from an Uncle who lives in one of the affected London boroughs.  The tale goes that, last evening, his neighbour's law-abiding teenage son received text messages from an unknown source, telling him where to go to join in.  If there's any truth at all in that, then who sent these messages?  And how did the perpetrator manage to compile a list of teenage boys' phone numbers? 

I stress again there's scope for exageration in that, so let's not read TOOO much into it.  Food for thought, though. 

[kitz]

The BBC earlier reported that printed leaflets had been distributed, giving legal advice to miscreants on how to avoid prosecution

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The above would indeed appear to be true..  Ive 'borrowed' the pic below from someone I know who lives down there, who posted the image a couple of days ago.  Seems like the 'flyers' where being handed around.

I was lost for words when I saw it.

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[UncleUB]

I'm just listening to the manager of the Arndale Centre now Unc  ... apparently    "because contingency plans had been put in place earlier, stock removed from shops etc " .... they apparently  " got through the first line of defences, but then left without anything

Part of the centre was looted,yobs coming out with armfuls of clothing etc.

Once again (apart from London) the police response was pathetic,just stood and watched as shops were openly looted.

A senior police official said it was inappropriate to have water cannons on the streets of London and anyone who thought different doesn't know what they are talking about.

Why is London different to any other major European city and how do you differ between British thugs in London and British thugs in Northern Ireland..

These thugs just don't seem bothered by the consequences they face if arrested,that is because the punishment/s handed are are pathetic thanks to the law makers of this country.

Yes you will get a few that are jailed,but the majority will get a fine and a slapped wrist.

The comments by Boris Johnson,Theresa May and Nick Clegg(he hadn't the guts to face the people on the streets yesterday when shaking hands with firemen and police officers) were spineless, and gutless.

Some of the images in the link below will turn any decent human beings stomach

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024203/UK-riots-flare-Manchester-Birmingham-London-s-FOURTH-night-violence.html

(Not much evidence of 'robust' police tactics there)   

[scottiesmum]

I'm wondering if there is too much reporting.   For instance, to report that this leaflet is in circulation as well as 'informing ' the public, it's informing the perpetrators too  ..... they can then regroup and change their tactics.  The same with the announcement that  16,000 police would be deployed in London, this should should  of course have been done, but  IMHO, not broadcast - it was obvious, well it was to me, that the gangs would simply co-ordinate their rampages elsewhere, where there was no  increase in cover, and that's evidently what happened.    We don't need to know what is happening every moment, or what steps are being taken  .... we don't need to have the same images on the 24 hour news broadcasts, or the mentioning of these events every 15 minutes (and that's what is is on R5 Live at the moment).  The same programme reported earlier that they had  just received an e-mail from a serving policeman saying that they couldn't cope.    I heard that very same thing broadcast last night on the same station, different presenter;    how do the BBC  know this is a serving policeman for goodness sake   ? (I doubt very much that it was)  anyone could send an e-mail.....    how irresponsible is that  !  the thugs will be listening and watching to see how famous they all are now -    broadcasting at its worse.         To top it all, the BBC Web site had a link to two young girls boasting about what they were doing, and laughing in the face of decency .....    another famous pair now  !!!

The whole episode, which is dreadful, is being carried out by a minority of yobs, and yet the coverage is so OTT that it's starting to be offensive in itself.
I notice that the people who volunteered for the clean up process are not getting as much publicity  ....  but that's good news isn't it  .... so it doesn't make the headlines. 


  I've switched off my radio !

[UncleUB]

Before and after the riots images(move the central slider left of right)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2011/aug/09/london-riots-before-after-photographs?CMP=twt_gu

[kitz]

The North West seemed to get the brunt of it last night. I cant begin to explain my emotion when I saw Dawson's window put in and looted. I think every musician and anyone interested in music in the North knows of Dawsons, their reputation and many will likely have bought instruments from there.  They used antique guitars to smash down windows and god knows what idiots thought they would actually find cash lying around in Nat West after using a grand piano to batter into the Bank next door.  FGS all cash will be locked away in a strongroom.

>> I'm wondering if there is too much reporting.

TBH far more info is coming out on the social networks than what the BBC is putting out.
The Blackberry messaging service (groups) is one of the main networks used by them for distributing updated info.

I cant recall where I read it now, but I do recall someone saying that their young son had got an anonymous text giving info where the next action was to take place.  It would perhaps appear that someone is 'highjacking' friends lists of schoolchums?  Who knows?

>> to report that this leaflet is in circulation as well as 'informing ' the public.

Those leaflets were being openly circulated to anyone, they were 'dropped' en mass and many littered the streets.  The same info will also have been circulated via the many social networking groups which the yobs use to find out their info.

 >> the BBC Web site had a link to two young girls boasting about what they were doing

This is just plain wrong.. Sky news was just as guilty by giving the thugs 'prime time' when IMHO they should be reporting them to the police - not giving them their 2 mins of 'fame'.

[kitz]

>> Why is London different to any other major European city and how do you differ between British thugs in London and British thugs in Northern Ireland..

I totally agree.

>> the police response was pathetic,just stood and watched as shops were openly looted.

The police dont seem to be doing anything.

Dunno if you saw the home video last night that was circulating.   
These are not the looters...  these are UK citizens (theres a rumour that the EDL may have been involved) trying to protect their own streets and home towns, hence the cries of England England.   Note how the police is walking amongst them - at the back.

http://www.twitvid.com/DWZPW

(You may have to wait a while for the vid to load - it seems under heavy demand right now with 226k views)

[UncleUB]

Dunno if you saw the home video last night that was circulating.   
These are not the looters...  these are UK citizens (theres a rumour that the EDL may have been involved) trying to protect their own streets and home towns, hence the cries of England England.   Note how the police is walking amongst them - at the back.

Yes there was various groups/factions all out trying do one thing....protect their property/livelihoods and stop the looters.

WE saw groups of English East End men,groups of Asians who were outside protecting their mosques and various other groups..
Well done I say,I would have done the same under those circumstances.I will/would do anything to protect my family and my home.

[roseway]

The police are in an impossible position, because they know that there's an army of sleazy lawyers waiting to sue them on behalf of any thug who is 'traumatised' by a grazed knee caused by police action. As a society we've effectively neutered the police because of a small number of very sad cases where they really have messed up badly. What is needed in my opinion is for our spineless politicians to give total support to the police to do whatever is necessary, including water cannon and other strong means, to deal with the rioters.

[UncleUB]

The police are in an impossible position, because they know that there's an army of sleazy lawyers waiting to sue them on behalf of any thug who is 'traumatised' by a grazed knee caused by police action. As a society we've effectively neutered the police because of a small number of very sad cases where they really have messed up badly. What is needed in my opinion is for our spineless politicians to give total support to the police to do whatever is necessary, including water cannon and other strong means, to deal with the rioters.

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Exactly,there is far too much left wing political correctness.If the laws need changing......then change them.

Lets start putting the victims welfare first not the criminals

[exo]

The police are in an impossible position, because they know that there's an army of sleazy lawyers waiting to sue them on behalf of any thug who is 'traumatised' by a grazed knee caused by police action. As a society we've effectively neutered the police because of a small number of very sad cases where they really have messed up badly. What is needed in my opinion is for our spineless politicians to give total support to the police to do whatever is necessary, including water cannon and other strong means, to deal with the rioters.

That hits the nail on the head.

exo