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Author Topic: LJU2 connecting help?  (Read 16787 times)

steve7

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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2011, 09:15:30 PM »

It looks like the extension is connected to a part outside underneath a BT cover/plastic, but i have not taken this off?  Will have a another look tomorrow.
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 11:05:43 PM »

oooh nasty.  >:D
That is almost guaranteed to mess up your broadband!

Time to start again with the extension and get it wired "properly" from the master socket.  :-X

You or a previous occupant didn't happen to have Sky put in the extension by any chance......  :lol:
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2011, 01:42:16 AM »

It looks like the extension is connected to a part outside underneath a BT cover/plastic, but i have not taken this off?  Will have a another look tomorrow.

Please photograph what you find underneath the grey plastic "shroud". I suspect dust, spiders, other dead insects and gel crimps connecting the individual wires of the cables.

A few questions: (1) Does the telephone line arrive at your house underground or via a drop wire from a pole? (2) Approximately how old is your house? (3) Do you have a number of "blanked off" recessed boxes throughout the house?

I just trying to judge whether you have a classic "builder's botch" of a setup. :-\
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2011, 10:28:57 PM »

Here are the pics, i hope these help?

The house is about 12 years old.
There is one master socket and a another socket upstairs. (LJU2) which is what was trying to connect up.
The wiring is from underground.

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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2011, 11:12:02 PM »

Here are the pics, i hope these help?

Yes, indeed. We can see the incoming feed (the black cable) arising vertically from the small sealed duct and from the "rats-nest" of wires, joined with gel-crimps are two separate brown cables which clearly run to two separate sockets. (Or, more correctly, one socket (the NTE5/A) and the location (backing box) where an extension socket is desired to be sited.) As all of that wiring is the domain of OR, I can only say what I might do if it were my house.

However, before I type my hypothetical plan of action, we must clarify one point. Earlier you have said that "When i put a phone in the master socket it just bleeps all the time." Am I right in assuming that you currently do not use the line for a telephony service? Is it a standard wired telephone that you have plugged in? From where do you hear the bleeps? From the earpiece of the handset? Is the dial-tone audible?

Please go back to the site where you propose to have the extension socket and ensure that all the wires in that cable are separate & no bare ends are touching. Now go back outside to the "rats-nest" and spread the wires out, so that once you have taken another photograph we can clearly see which coloured wires of one cable is connected to which wires of another. My final questions, for now. Are you able to identify which one of the two brown cables supplies your existing NTE5/A ? Is it the upper cable seen to go into the wall in the first picture? Or is it the lower cable, seen to drop down and run to the right in the second picture?
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 09:20:33 AM »

I'd guess that the "greyish" cable goes straight through the wall to the NTE5A and the browner one eventually makes its way upstairs.

A picture of the cover would be interesting as well, to see if it's a genuine BT item.

As for fixing it, I know what I'd do.  :angel:
But first I'd think about getting BT round if the phone doesn't work.  :-\
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 04:59:55 PM »

I'd guess that the "greyish" cable goes straight through the wall to the NTE5A and the browner one eventually makes its way upstairs.

If I were to make a guess, that would also be my assumption. :)

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A picture of the cover would be interesting as well, to see if it's a genuine BT item.

I think we will see the pre-OR, BT logo . . . ;)

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As for fixing it, I know what I'd do.  :angel:

I'm sure we have exactly the same idea in mind. ::)

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But first I'd think about getting BT round if the phone doesn't work.  :-\

Indeedy. But, even before that step is considered, answers to my previous questions will be enlightening. ;D
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2011, 05:22:28 PM »

I think we will see the pre-OR, BT logo . . . ;)
Maybe, but.........
The house is about 12 years old.
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answers to my previous questions will be enlightening. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2011, 11:43:56 PM »

I think we will see the pre-OR, BT logo . . . ;)
Maybe, but.........
The house is about 12 years old.

Hmm . . . BT was formed in 1981, I believe, but OR was formed in this century, hence it's newer than Steve's house! :P
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2011, 12:15:00 AM »

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Openreach was created in 2006
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From their web site. Could have sworn it was much longer ago.  >:D
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2011, 10:48:25 PM »

Sorry for delay only just got my friends pc as i am not online.

Alarm1 pic = Bt Grey cover
Alarm3 pic = Black Cable from the underground is connected to the BrownGrey cable which goes to my master socket using the Orange and White Cable.  The Brown cable in the centre is from the extension upstairs which is not connected at all.
Alarm4 pic = Cable to master socket.
Alarm5 pic = Is the cable from the extension upstairs, which is not connected.

There are no "blanked off" recessed boxes throughout the house.

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2011, 12:18:46 AM »

Excellent pictures, Steve. Now we know your situation, exactly.

However before making any change, I really need to know the answers to the questions I asked late last Wednesday --

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However, before I type my hypothetical plan of action, we must clarify one point. Earlier you have said that "When i put a phone in the master socket it just bleeps all the time." Am I right in assuming that you currently do not use the line for a telephony service? Is it a standard wired telephone that you have plugged in? From where do you hear the bleeps? From the earpiece of the handset? Is the dial-tone audible?
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2011, 09:01:24 AM »

I think we will see the pre-OR, BT logo . . . ;)
Spot on!

I'm guessing that "someone" has tried to wire in the extension "once-upon-a-time" by feeding back through the spare pair to the outside, not exactly ideal but I guess it could work if done "correctly". However as it involves "hijacking" some of BT's cabling it's not exactly a good idea.  :no:

Personally I would remove that cable to upstairs completely from the area of that grey cover, so that any visiting engineer wouln't see it - roll it back as far as possible!
Then, depending on the answer to the "unanswered question" get the phone line working properly.

Finally run a new extension upstairs; that MIGHT even be possible using that "brownish" wire as the basis, but NOT by connecting it outside. If it can be fed back in through another hole then joined correctly to the NTE5A it could work - depends on your house layout inside and will probably need a junction box (ideally inside) and short length of cable.
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2011, 11:18:34 AM »

The phone is not currently in use and it is a standard wired telephone that i have plugged in, the bleeps come from the handset ear piece, and there is no dial tone.
Thanks
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Re: LJU2 connecting help?
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2011, 11:43:56 AM »

What happens if you dial the number from elsewhere or a mobile?
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