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[HPsauce]

1947, 1981-2.
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/philip-eden/Snowiest-of-20th-century.htm

My daughter was born on 15/12/81 and getting my wife to hospital for the birth was "challenging" ; we didn't see the tarmac on the road outside our house for the next 3 months!

[UncleUB]

Seeing as this thread was originally about fair fuel prices UK then here is the response from Mr Osbourne.

http://www.fairfueluk.com/letterfromgeorgeosborne.html

[HPsauce]

Who is Quetin Willson?

[roseway]

I presume he's a misspelt Quentin Willson.

Not a lot of comfort in the letter, is there?

[silversurfer44]

It's the same old story 'Blame it on the last lot'.

[CurlyWhirly]

It's the same old story 'Blame it on the last lot'.

Yes but the last rises in fuel duty were brought in whilst they were in power and at least the current lot are attempting to do something about it with the promise of a fuel stabiliser but we will have to wait and see as politicians are not to be trusted at least in my book they aren't !

Until there is a viable alternative to fossil fuels then I'm afraid governments of all political persuasions will continue to look to the motorist as a 'cash cow'

I'm sure I saw a science article a while ago about hydrogen powered cars ?
I expect the idea has been shelved as the oil companies have bribed the team to shut up about it to keep a monopoly on oil  

[CurlyWhirly]

Recent conflicts in the Middle East are making things worse - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12522291

[HPsauce]

I'm sure I saw a science article a while ago about hydrogen powered cars ?
I expect the idea has been shelved as the oil companies have bribed the team to shut up about it to keep a monopoly on oil  

Where do you think Hydrogen comes from, it's not like there's lots of it just lying around ready to burn....
(it needs power to make, i.e. some sort of fuel usually)

[CurlyWhirly]

Where do you think Hydrogen comes from, it's not like there's lots of it just lying around ready to burn....
(it needs power to make, i.e. some sort of fuel usually)

It's a wonder a way can't be found to utilise the hydrogen in the oceans as there is a lot of that

[silversurfer44]

To claim the hydrogen from any resource you need some form of power. Claiming it from the oceans means dealing with salt as well. Salination plants are used on may sea going vessels to supply fresh water. The next step to reclaim the hydrogen is use electrolysis to separate the hydrogen & oxygen. What do you do with the surplus oxygen then.
On the other hand the International Space Station produces hydrogen as a waste product when they use water to reclaim the oxygen. If instead of them venting it off into space we had a conveyor system whereby we on the ground swap our waste oxygen for their waste hydrogen?  

Whatever one does with a resource you finish up with a waste product and with any resource it is not endless. Perpetual motion has not been invented yet.

What was this thread about ? I've forgotten.

[UncleUB]

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