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BritBrat

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Re: no internet
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2011, 08:04:26 AM »

Sounds like a communication problem to me.

What business are BT in? :)
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razpag

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Re: no internet
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2011, 08:45:34 AM »

WELL SECOND ENGINEER HAS DECIDED NOT TO BOTHER TURNING UP Well done BT customer service ]
have only had 12 hours of internet out of 144 hours
I am not going to say any more as i am sooooooooo peed off

Ridiculous comment, iwish. We (Openreach Engineers), don't just decide on a whim "Not to bother turning up".

You firstly need to understand that we are NOT BT engineers anymore. Haven't been for approx. 5yrs now. We are called Openreach and work for, and on behalf of, all SP's. If your SP, whoever it may be, has told you they will raise a fault for us to attend site, but then for some reason don't, then Openreach cannot be blamed.

On a daily basis, I will go to 'appointments made' that the EU has no knowledge of. In the same breath, I can go to an appointment and the EU will say, "You were supposed to be here 3 days ago according to my SP". I will get, "You don't need to come into my house, the faults outside because my SP said so!" at least 3-4 times a week.
 There's also the 'No Access' situation, whereby Openreach have 2 appointment slots (0800-1300 and 1300-1800), but there's nobody at home when I get there. We then have to ring the mobile contact number on the job and the EU says, "I'm in Sainsbury's shopping. My SP said you would turn up at 1030".

What I'm trying to convey to you is that what the SP is telling its EU's, is not neccessarily what is actually happening. As a previous OP has sarcastically pointed out, SP's are in a communications business, but are not very good at cross-comming between their own various departments.

We (OR) are at the mercy of the SP's as we can ONLY go to an appointment if the SP has made one. So please think before you post iwish, engineers are basically doing what they are told to do by your SP. We don't just think to ourselves, "I can't be bothered going to that job".
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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2011, 01:08:23 PM »

The engineer was booked twice and the so called team leader is now on the case as to why none ever came
I am not saying its the engineers fault, what i am saying as they never came to my house
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razpag

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Re: no internet
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 01:30:57 PM »

The engineer was booked twice and the so called team leader is now on the case as to why none ever came
I am not saying its the engineers fault, what i am saying as they never came to my house


Not quite, you did actually say the "engineer decided not to bother turning up", implying he was in fact 'booked' but couldn't be bothered to attend.

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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 02:28:11 PM »

He was booked and this was confirmed by the Team leader guy from BT
so please tell me who is talking rubbish about the booking
Is it me my isp or the bt team leader guy
You seem to know more than any of the people i have mentioned so please do inform me and i will pass that on to my SP

at the end of the day none of us really know what has gone wrong
I am just telling you what has been said by both my SP and the team leader
The engineer was booked for Friday but because things got a bit busy the 1st engineer could not make it as he ran out of time
The second engineer has gave no excuse as of yet and that's why it is now under investigation
If you dont like what i am saying the please feel free to press the x button of the top right of this page
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tuftedduck

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Re: no internet
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2011, 02:41:00 PM »

Come on now guys, state your points as clearly as you need to........ but I'm sure you do so in a friendly manner.  ;)

 :)
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razpag

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Re: no internet
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2011, 04:12:23 PM »

He was booked and this was confirmed by the Team leader guy from BT
so please tell me who is talking rubbish about the booking
Is it me my isp or the bt team leader guy
You seem to know more than any of the people i have mentioned so please do inform me and i will pass that on to my SP

at the end of the day none of us really know what has gone wrong
I am just telling you what has been said by both my SP and the team leader
The engineer was booked for Friday but because things got a bit busy the 1st engineer could not make it as he ran out of time
The second engineer has gave no excuse as of yet and that's why it is now under investigation
If you dont like what i am saying the please feel free to press the x button of the top right of this page

I do know how my LoB works, and I am more than aware that the SP feeds the EU with, shall we say 'stories', to cover up for their own mis-communication. This was the point I was making to you iwish.

On the back of that there point I was making, is the fact that I too am an Openreach engineer and will always defend them against ill-made comments like "He couldn't be bothered turning up". Anybody new reading this board could quite easily come up with the assumption that the engineers sometimes don't turn up, because they can't be bothered. Not only is the statement ridiculous, it is completely unfounded and probably litigious to some degree.

If I "Dont like what you're saying", I will comment on it rather than pretend you are not there. Thats what 'discussion' is all about.

Now please, do yourself and others reading this a favour and let us know the FINAL outcome of your problem rather than 2'nd guessing what the engineers are actually doing.
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razpag

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Re: no internet
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2011, 04:17:39 PM »

Come on now guys, state your points as clearly as you need to........ but I'm sure you do so in a friendly manner.  ;)

 :)

Duck .... message read and understood. If you read my posts in the tone of a middle-aged man with a glass of wine in his hand, rather than some angry, hormone-infested teenager who wants to kill, then you'll hopefully see that I'm not trying to be 'Un-friendly', just factually defending my colleagues.  ;) ;D
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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2011, 06:23:41 PM »

I take in what you are saying and take back my comment about the engineer
As you will understand i am really angry with how long this has gone on and should learn to shout at a wall before i make any comment on a forum

I do think the booking was made but the engineer just ran out of time, and i don't blame him for that as i do believe you guys are over worked and understaffed
I just wish some one could please explain why i had one engineer out on friday and he said yup port and something to do with jumper
after he did something at the exchange my SP could then see my connection and i once again had a PPPo session
Then on Saturday morning i get a call from another engineer telling me he had now fixed my problem and when i look at my broadband i have no PPPo again and my line is now worse
I have a sync speed but my sp cant see this
I am sure its just been a mistake on the job number but its should not take this long to fix again
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Re: no internet
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2011, 07:54:30 PM »

I take in what you are saying and take back my comment about the engineer
As you will understand i am really angry with how long this has gone on and should learn to shout at a wall before i make any comment on a forum

I do think the booking was made but the engineer just ran out of time, and i don't blame him for that as i do believe you guys are over worked and understaffed
I just wish some one could please explain why i had one engineer out on friday and he said yup port and something to do with jumper
after he did something at the exchange my SP could then see my connection and i once again had a PPPo session
Then on Saturday morning i get a call from another engineer telling me he had now fixed my problem and when i look at my broadband i have no PPPo again and my line is now worse
I have a sync speed but my sp cant see this
I am sure its just been a mistake on the job number but its should not take this long to fix again

Yup, I can fully appreciate your frustration with trying to put closure on your fault. I know it feels like you are banging your head against a brick wall because I hear the same story day in, day out. I think it's ludicrous how the SP's (most of them) drag their feet when it comes to Broadband faults. Because the line tests electrically OK for the most part, they will blame you, your equipment, your cat, the neighbours cooking ..... etc etc.

I've tried to make sense of your posts again, and I have to be honest and say I'm not really sure what has been said and done in engineering terms ??!! It would appear (this is just my opinion from your posts) that you needed a lift & shift, but the engineer who had the task had come to the end of his working hours. The following day, another engineer rang to say he'd completed the lift & shift. Since then you have had an ADSL connection (IE- a light on your router/hub) but cannot access the web ??

If this is the case, then i'm hazarding a guess that the lift & shift has been jumpered to the wrong ports, or, authentication is required on your new ports. As an aside, and as part of your investigations if you will, on most (not all) Broadband jobs we engineers are asked to make a 'co-op call' to the SP when the work is completed to confirm a status check against the EU's router in order to gain the D/S speed, atten and SNR to put in our notes. If your job requested one of these co-op calls, then the engineer who did the lift & shift should have done one. Ask your SP if a) There was a request for a co-op call on any of the jobs and what the result of that call was, and b) Ask the SP to relay what the engineer put down on his job notes. This will hopefully ensure the SP doesn't make up a load of baloney.

Best of luck.
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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2011, 08:03:55 PM »

I take in what you are saying and take back my comment about the engineer
As you will understand i am really angry with how long this has gone on and should learn to shout at a wall before i make any comment on a forum

I do think the booking was made but the engineer just ran out of time, and i don't blame him for that as i do believe you guys are over worked and understaffed
I just wish some one could please explain why i had one engineer out on friday and he said yup port and something to do with jumper
after he did something at the exchange my SP could then see my connection and i once again had a PPPo session
Then on Saturday morning i get a call from another engineer telling me he had now fixed my problem and when i look at my broadband i have no PPPo again and my line is now worse
I have a sync speed but my sp cant see this
I am sure its just been a mistake on the job number but its should not take this long to fix again

Yup, I can fully appreciate your frustration with trying to put closure on your fault. I know it feels like you are banging your head against a brick wall because I hear the same story day in, day out. I think it's ludicrous how the SP's (most of them) drag their feet when it comes to Broadband faults. Because the line tests electrically OK for the most part, they will blame you, your equipment, your cat, the neighbours cooking ..... etc etc.

I've tried to make sense of your posts again, and I have to be honest and say I'm not really sure what has been said and done in engineering terms ??!! It would appear (this is just my opinion from your posts) that you needed a lift & shift, but the engineer who had the task had come to the end of his working hours. The following day, another engineer rang to say he'd completed the lift & shift. Since then you have had an ADSL connection (IE- a light on your router/hub) but cannot access the web ??

If this is the case, then i'm hazarding a guess that the lift & shift has been jumpered to the wrong ports, or, authentication is required on your new ports. As an aside, and as part of your investigations if you will, on most (not all) Broadband jobs we engineers are asked to make a 'co-op call' to the SP when the work is completed to confirm a status check against the EU's router in order to gain the D/S speed, atten and SNR to put in our notes. If your job requested one of these co-op calls, then the engineer who did the lift & shift should have done one. Ask your SP if a) There was a request for a co-op call on any of the jobs and what the result of that call was, and b) Ask the SP to relay what the engineer put down on his job notes. This will hopefully ensure the SP doesn't make up a load of baloney.

Best of luck.
Yup had lift and shift on Tuesday that left us with no internet but we could sync
On the Friday and engineer came out and said jumpered to wrong ports and fixed it
line was fine all night then on Saturday we got a call from another engineer to say he had now fixed our line that morning
we told him some one already fixed it on Friday morning and it was fine
He said no it was him that fixed it Saturday morning
So i go have a look and find i was back to square one, could synce but once again no internet and the line had dropped speed and once again showing loads of errors
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razpag

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Re: no internet
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2011, 08:24:11 PM »

Hmmmmm  ??? Does indeed sound odd ??? You really need another engineering visit, (preferably an AM appointment, then time constraints are not an issue) and insist the engineer shows you the line is connected and web access available. I would demand it, rather than request an engineering visit.

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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2011, 08:51:51 AM »

Hmmmmm  ??? Does indeed sound odd ??? You really need another engineering visit, (preferably an AM appointment, then time constraints are not an issue) and insist the engineer shows you the line is connected and web access available. I would demand it, rather than request an engineering visit.


The problem was the exchange got the old jb back in as it had not been updated
Was another jumper problem again.
that is now fixed but this is not
uptime
WAN:   0 days, 00:05:39
downstream
Noise Margin:     9.0   dB
Connection Rate:  4599  Kbps
Line Attenuation: 51.0  dB
Power:            0.0   dBm
Max Rate:         5492  Kbps
 
SuperFrames:      21242
SF (CRC) Errors:  1044
Reed Solomon:     1380758
RS Corrected:     4847
RS Un-Corrected:  62622
HEC:              209
Errored Seconds:  31
Severe ES:        21

Interleave Depth: 32
Bitswaps:         42

To many errors for just 5 mins if you ask me
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Re: no internet
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2011, 10:26:50 AM »

gets better
Downstream
Noise Margin:     30.4  dB
Connection Rate:  239   Kbps
Line Attenuation: 51.5  dB
Power:            0.0   dBm
Max Rate:         5408  Kbps
 
SuperFrames:      59867
SF (CRC) Errors:  0
Reed Solomon:     2035486
RS Corrected:     0
RS Un-Corrected:  0
HEC:              0
Errored Seconds:  381
Severe ES:        278

Interleave Depth: 16
Bitswaps:         23
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iwish

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Re: no internet
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2011, 08:02:27 PM »

Ok it gets better and better
Bt gave me a phone call to ask how my broad band was now and i told him i was only synced at 248kbs at the time
He said he would put on his notes for an engineer to look over my broadband again
3pm i get a call from the engineer asking what my fault was
I tell him about all the problems i have had and he then says, I dont do broadband i am PSTN only
we both have a laugh and he comes out anyway so he can close the case so i can report  my fault again
He takes a look at my line and he says i am on the good cable that comes into my village and that it gives the lowest DB
I then tell him about the corrosion found in the exchange that was causing my fault
And he thinks i need to be moved to a new line card all together

# /usr/sbin/adslctl info --stats
/usr/sbin/adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 440 Kbps, Downstream rate = 239 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode:                   ADSL2
Channel:                Fast
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):       31.2            21.5
Attn(dB):       51.5            31.6
Pwr(dBm):       0.0             13.1
Max(Kbps):      4104            832
Rate (Kbps):    239             440
                        G.dmt framing
K:              15(0)           56
R:              16              8
S:              1               1
D:              16              8
                        ADSL2 framing
MSGc:           11              12
B:              14              55
M:              1               1
T:              2               1
R:              16              8
S:              1.9375          4.0000
L:              128             128
D:              16              8
                        Counters
SF:             721763          660304
SFErr:          0               0
RS:             24539958                3295550
RSCorr:         5               0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    6713659         795949
Data Cells:     167621          3066
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             3               0
SES:            3               0
UAS:            727             0
AS:             11887

INP:            8.00            2.00
PER:            16.46           18.00
delay:          7.75            8.00
OR:             8.25            8.00

Bitswap:        381             0

Total time = 6 hours 57 min 4 sec
SF  = 1433780
CRC = 1345
LOS = 3
LOF = 27
ES  = 3
Latest 1 day time = 6 hours 57 min 4 sec
SF  = 1433780
CRC = 1345
LOS = 3
LOF = 27
ES  = 3
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 4 sec
SF  = 43972
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 54630
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
SF  = 0
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 54691
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 54631
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 54630
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Showtime Drop Reason:   8000
Last Retrain Reason:    8000
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