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Author Topic: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map  (Read 66336 times)

Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2010, 03:25:18 PM »

Hi :)


Guess What?

My mum thinks she really has found an FTTC Green Cab this time  ::)

Tall .. Green .. Vents

Located just around the corner from the old BT box in the picture below.

Can't go and see it for myself just yet  :no:
Coz our street is having road and path Works Done - & - There's Tar Everywhere!
So...
Save our carpets having Tar Tire Tracks all over them.
I'm confined to the house until the road works are complete  >:(

As soon as I can escape... I'll Go Get Some Pics!

Zoe


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Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2010, 03:54:19 PM »

Me Again  :blush:


My mum has just been to pick my son up from School - & - Spotted 3 more FTTC Green Cabs along the way 8)

Also!
Forgot to mention above...
My mum has actually seen BT Openreach digging up and laying something down into the streets.
Including the one just round the corner from us... The one I'll be going to take pictures of   ;D

Between the noise the road works in my street has been causing - & - Openreach being such a busy little BeeT...
No wonder my broadband speed is all over the place at the moment  ::)


Zoe
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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2010, 05:02:48 PM »

Hi Zoe,

So you can be fully informed you should expect to see:-

1.  A single new larger BT cabinet being installed within 100 metres cable run from the existing old BT PCP Green cabinet.
2.  Possibly a new joint pit in the path near the new cabinet.
3.  An electricity supply being installed in the new cabinet
4.  One or more tie cables being installed between the old and the new cabinets
5.  A fibre cable being installed in the new cabinet.

6. Possibly the old PCP being "re-sleeved" I.e. A larger new metal box being fitted around the "birds-nest" of existing twisted pair wires.

7.  Little BT Openreach vans in vast profusion over months to connect each new broadband consumer to the new cabinet

Kind regards,
Walter
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Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2010, 07:33:19 PM »


Hi Walter  :)


I'll take pictures of everything I think relevant  ;)


Just wish Openreach would plant an FTTC Cab just that little bit closes to our house.
OR
At least in the right direction  ::)

Like...
The one my mum has found Today round the corner from us.
It's only about a minutes walk to get to it.
But... It's going in the wrong direction from the exchange.

Example!

                [ FTTC ]
                     |
                     |
           [  My House  ]
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
           [  Exchange  ]


So I can't really see how it could ever be the FTTC Cab that would feed my streets broadband  :-\


However!
If Openreach were to put an FTTC Cab next to the old BT Box in the picture below... That Would Be About Right!



Example!

                [ FTTC ]
                     |
                     |
           [  My House  ]
                     |
                     |
                     |
                [ FTTC ]
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
                     |
           [  Exchange  ]

It would be a little bit further away. ( 2 to 3 minutes walk )
But it would be going in the right direction  8)

       

Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2010, 09:15:19 PM »

Not too far from me is a cabinet with vents an' all within the suggested 50m distance from an existing cabinet.

Downside is that beside it is a long pole with a loo brush object at the top. They belong to T-Mobile :lol:
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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2010, 12:31:15 AM »

Hi Zoe,

The initial direction is not the actual problem. You will frequently find lines going in the opposite direction before they meet another cable heading back for the exchange.
Distance is also not of great concern. Provided a new FTTC is installed say within 1 km of your house, and is linked into your particular PCP green cabinet and cable routing, you should be able to get a very good signal and therefore speed.

Kind regards,
Walter
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Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2010, 01:53:55 PM »

Hi renluop  :)

Not too far from me is a cabinet with vents an' all within the suggested 50m distance from an existing cabinet.

Downside is that beside it is a long pole with a loo brush object at the top. They belong to T-Mobile

What you've found sounds very much like what I found a few weeks ago  :blush:
In My Case... O2 - & - Vodaphone  ( See Pic Below )


However!
This Time... I'm Certain It's FTTC  ;)


Zoe


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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2010, 01:59:00 PM »

Hi Walter  :)

Hi Zoe,

The initial direction is not the actual problem. You will frequently find lines going in the opposite direction before they meet another cable heading back for the exchange.
Distance is also not of great concern. Provided a new FTTC is installed say within 1 km of your house, and is linked into your particular PCP green cabinet and cable routing, you should be able to get a very good signal and therefore speed.

Kind regards,
Walter


That's Great News!
Coz I'm sure the Green Cab that my mum's found must be well short of 1 km.
I'll have a go with Google Street Maps in a min... Work Out The Distance!


Thanks!  ;)

Zoe
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Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2010, 03:19:47 PM »

Hi Walter  :)


     --------------------------------------------------- [  FTTC  ]
    |                                                                        |                                                                                            
    |                                                                 0.2 Miles                                                                  
    |                                                                  0.32 km
                                                                           
    |                                                                        |                                                                                            
    |                                                             [  My House  ]
    |                                                                        |                                                                                            
1.3 Miles                                                                |
2.09 km                                                                 |
    |                                                                        |
    |                                                                  1.1 Miles
    |                                                                  1.77 km

    |                                                                        |
    |                                                                        |
    |                                                                        |
    |                                                                        |
    |                                                                        |
     -----------------------------------------------  [  Exchange  ]






Two Pictures Below...

1) Old BT Box
2) Old BT Box - & - Where My Mum Says The New FTTC Green Cab Lives  ;D


            

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2010, 09:02:23 PM »

Hi  :)


I'm hopefully going to be taking the Pics tomorrow.
But!
I've just done a BT Infinity check  :-\  ( See Picture Below )
The result was rather a shock  :(  ( Way short of 40 mbps )
Mind You!
As my line rental is with AOL rather than BT ... Had to do test with House Number and Postcode rather than Phone Number.

Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2010, 11:31:16 PM »

Hi Zoe,

Do remember this is a new set of products that BT are offering so they may still be experimenting.
Any estimate (particularly where BT don't have access to the existing line's performance) must be regarded with caution and will still depend upon the state of your internal wiring as well as BT's.
BT obviously want to avoid disappointment and ensuing arguments.

This is one reason why I'm not at all keen on the Infinity advertisements which might well give a false sense optimism.
Please note that the BT network is mainly of old copper and aluminium alloy twisted pair construction so the chances of many achieving the maximum is likely to be quite small.

Kind regards,
Walter
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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2010, 09:19:35 AM »

Though one would assume they were working to some formula, perhaps based on where cabinets are intended for installation.

FTTC cabinets should be nearer to the premises than the exchange,s o it seems strange that with ADSL2+I can connect on my marginal benefit at 7100, 87% of 8128, whilst the figures given by BT are ~35% of the theoretical 40mbps.

What could be the reason, my logic, or does the interface to the copper cause considerable attenuation which  together account for the seemingly rapid fall off?

Opening just below rear hairline is now closed. :baby:
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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2010, 09:55:36 AM »

@ renluop,

I'm afraid my expectations of any such estimators are very close to zero.
The worst one I'm aware of using the older ADSL checker gave a forecast speed of 6 Meg but the line barely remains in sync.
Furthermore I've heard of several reports that the BT database of PCP locations can be widely out.
One on our patch was reported with a postcode 3 km away from the actual position.

We are of course dealing here with a product that is providing a service to infinity !
(One only has to consider the physical definition of the word and observe how the beautiful marketeers distort the implication of its meaning.)

Kind regards,
Walter
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Zoe

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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2010, 01:34:40 PM »

Hi  :)


Here We Go...

Picture No: 1 | The New BT Box .. ( Has replaced the old BT Box that I showed you the other day )

Picture No: 2 | The Underground FTTC Join Up .. ( Runs From The New BT Box - to - The New FTTC Green Cab )

Picture No: 3 | View Of The Distance .. ( The distance between... The BT Box - & - The FTTC Green Cab )

Picture No: 4 | The New FTTC Green Cab  ;)


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Re: ADSL24 / BT Wholesale FTTC Map
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2010, 01:53:19 PM »

Hi Walter  :)

Hi Zoe,

Do remember this is a new set of products that BT are offering so they may still be experimenting.
Any estimate (particularly where BT don't have access to the existing line's performance) must be regarded with caution and will still depend upon the state of your internal wiring as well as BT's.
BT obviously want to avoid disappointment and ensuing arguments.

This is one reason why I'm not at all keen on the Infinity advertisements which might well give a false sense optimism.
Please note that the BT network is mainly of old copper and aluminium alloy twisted pair construction so the chances of many achieving the maximum is likely to be quite small.

Kind regards,
Walter



Don't Worry... I Know  ;)

To Be Honest...
It will probably be much longer than December before I get FTTC   :(
Coz...
1) Can't Afford BT Infinity!
2) I'd like to hopefully wait until as a natural progression of things... AOL Offers Me FTTC  :-\

From Day One ( 2006 ) .. I've been paying AOL £14.99 for my Broadband.
First..  Upto 1mbps
Then..  Upto 2mbps
Next..   Upto 8mbps
Now..    Upto 24mbps

I've always had to wait approx 6 months longer for the next step up in speed.. Than my next door neighbour.
But that's because their happy to pay twice the price.

I could never afford to pay more than say £20 per month  :no:
And as even £20 would be a struggle... I'll probably be waiting until AOL gives me FTTC for my same old £14.99 per month.


Thanks!

Zoe

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