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[waltergmw]

Hi Zoe,

You've discovered one of the major commercial difficulties of this approach.
AOL i.e. Car Phone Warehouse have invested a significant amount of money in providing and installing their equipment in the exchange which would become useless if everyone joined the FTTC campaign.
It would cost them even more to remove the equipment at the end of a period when their return on investment decreases as consumers transfer to FTTC.

Add to that the speed uncertainty of the new FTTC service at extra cost to you, I see little benefit in spending more of your money even in the medium term.

From Car Phone Warehouse's viewpoint, why should they bother when they perceive a quite reasonable broadband service is already in place ?

Kind regards,
Walter

[Zoe]

Hi Walter 


Pretty Certain... Carphone Warehouse doesn't own AOL any more 

AOL is owned by Talk Talk

Both... AOL - & - Talk Talk .. Are owned by... Opal 

One Bit Of Good News!
Talk Talk is supposedly going to be one of the First ISP's to go FTTC 
&
Talk Talk is already running FTTC Trials : http://broadband.talktalk.co.uk/fibre-optic-trial
&
See Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11491528
&
See Here: http://tinyurl.com/23uuxtj


So Now... Guess I just sit tight and wait   

[tuftedduck]

Carphone Warehouse own Opal, as well as AOL ( in UK) and TalkTalk

[Zoe]

Hi tuftedduck  


See Here: http://tinyurl.com/35jskn7
&
See Here: http://www.talktalk.co.uk/information/aboutus/

Zoe

[Zoe]

Hi 


My mum was walking the dog this morning and she saw Openreach working on the FTTC Cab again.
She said it looked like they were fitting cables inside it.

Happy!
As although the FTTC Cab is actually going in the wrong direction to the exchange... It is the Closest : 322 meters
However!
I'd be even happier if I saw the other 2 near by BT Boxes also get an FTTC makeover. ( Just to be sure at least one of them is mine )

Saying That!
I was doing some calculations the other night   

Me - to - FTTC Cab = 0.32 km

FTTC Cab - to - Exchange = 2.09 km

Me - to - FTTC Cab - to - Exchange = 2.41 km

Note: My Attenuation Is... 34.5 db  = 2.5 km

That's Pretty Close!
OR
Is it just a Coincidence? 



Sam Says... See Pic Below 





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[waltergmw]

Hi Zoe,

Because your broadband signal on a FTTC solution leaves the cabinet via a fibre connection the length of line is irrelevant.
The only distance (and line quality) which matters is that between your house master socket and the existing PCP green cabinet together with the short link cable form the PCP to the FTTC.

Kind regards,
Walter

[Zoe]

Hi Walter  


There are 4 BT Cabs that can't be ruled out as being mine  

Cab Distance From My House
1] FTTC Cab = 322 meters   ( The one I've been talking about and posted the pictures of )
2] Not FTTC Yet = 483 meters
3] Not FTTC Yet = 483 meters
4] FTTC Cab = 966 meters   ( Pretty Much.. Exactly half way between my house and the exchange )

Unlikely To Be Number 4
Especially if they FTTC number 2 or 3
As you'd have to go past number 2 or number 3 to get to number 4.

Thanks!  

Zoe

[silversurfer44]

No.4 is likely to be yours then Zoe. 

[Zoe]

Hi silversurfer44 

No.4 is likely to be yours then Zoe.

Maybe!    Maybe Not! 

BT FTTC Checker Has Been Updated!
Apparently...

Showing more realistic and less conservative estimates for FTTC performance downstream.

See Here: http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/3916448-bt-fttc-checker-updated.html

Just Done 2 Tests!
1] BT Infinity Check
2] BT Wholesale Check
See Results Below 



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[waltergmw]

Hi Zoe,

I'm intrigued to know how the various new BT line estimators work.

Would you please be kind enough to do a BT speed test for us and take a picture of the result, hiding any private data such as your actual phone number.

http://speedtester.bt.com/

That should help us observe how the calculations actually work.

Kind regards,
Walter

[Zoe]

Hi Walter 

Would you please be kind enough to do a BT speed test for us and take a picture of the result, hiding any private data such as your actual phone number.

I'm afraid that I can't Walter 
Coz I don't have my Phone Line with BT any more.
We pay our Line Rental to AOL.

Guess that's why BT give people like me the option to take the Broadband Checks by....

a) BT Infinity : http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=29019 ( Used My...  House Number - & - Postcode )

b) BT Wholesale : http://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html  ( Used My... Full Address - & - Postcode )

However!
Did Do A Speed Test For You...




Zoe

[waltergmw]

Hi Zoe,

That was exactly what I wanted to see ! BT can only be using a best guess as they do not have access to an unbundled provider's data.
This suggests that they may be comparing the results perhaps with another known BT line of similar distance from the same cabinet.
In any case that must be a risky process and the results should probably not be taken as an accurate reflection of what you might achieve, always assuming you are prepared to pay the higher fees.

Kind regards,
Walter

[Zoe]

Hi Walter 


BT is probably using the data from when our phone line was with them.
Wasn't that long ago... Only April This Year 

Also!
ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 7.5 Mbps
That's exactly the same as what AOL admitted my Upto 24 Mbps connection should be capable of achieving.
Of Course!
This was after they'd already tricked me in to a new contract with them 
Didn't know even half back then... Of what I know now!
Thankfully!
1) We are really happy with the savings that's being made by being with AOL ( Broadband £14.99 + Line Rental £11.25 = Total £26.24 per month ) Free UK Calls!
2) At least I'm getting a little bit more than 7.5 Mbps  See Pics Below!

always assuming you are prepared to pay the higher fees.

Already Said...
Can't Afford BT Infinity!   
But...
The future travels fast - & - You never know what might happen 


Zoe


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[UncleUB]

Hi Zoe 

Looking at your speed tests posted above,I would count yourself very lucky to be getting 8 to 10mb,millions of users are lucky to get anywhere near a quarter of those speeds,and paying the same if not more in some case.

[waltergmw]

Hi Zoe,

It's impossible to know exactly what calculations BT are using until they are prepared to tell us.
We all know Infinity can't be reached, neither will an expensive marketing budget provide the actual broadband connections.
However if BT won't, and can't, accept your telephone number I think it's safe to say they have lost access to your older line data.

Kind regards,
Walter