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b4dger

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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2008, 10:58:25 AM »

Glad to see your IP Profile isn't stuck.

As your Target SNR looks like it's 15db it will reduce your sync to attempt to stabilise the line (as others have said).
This 'should' reduce automatically over time if your line is stable - but sometimes needs to be manually adjusted if the line can take it.

I've had a quick scan through the other posts so may have missed it - but have you tried running directly from the 'test' socket behind the removable faceplate if you have a modern master socket (NTE5)? This will show you if your internal wiring is affecting things...
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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008, 12:08:10 PM »

adsl uses various different frequencies.  Downstream uses higher frequencies than upstream and the 2 are kept separate to avoid crosstalk.  The type of modulation used in adsl ensures that if noise is encountered at a particular downstream frequency then it will at least attempt to transmit some data on different channels (bit swapping).  However there becomes a point when some channels are way too noisy and the router has to 'shut them down'.  This shows as a reduction in the overall SNRM and/or lower sync speed.

The above is a simplified explanation, but gives the gist of it.

You cant really boost your output power as such* since this is negiotated between the router and dslam, mostly controlled by the dslam.  If you output power was too high then it would drown out neighbouring lines and cause cross-talk for them. 
But you are kind of on the right track because With DMT youre changing your Target Noise to a accept a lower SNR figure, which will allow you to sync at a higher rate.
Some routers do allow you to over-ride the target SNR.  Using the DMT tool is the easiest way of doing so.

Ive not personally heard of a specialised BT RFI choke - theres something called RF filters that BT will install on some lines if you live near a radio transmitter.   But be aware RF2s have a drastic affect on adsl, and RF3's will/can lower your sync speed since adsl and AM radio use some of the same frequencies.
The other thing I think they may be talking about is the I-Plate?   This stops interference on the bell wire, but you can sort that yourself for a cost of £0 and a little bit of time by removing the ring wire yourself.

Some other users have also tried RF filters of the type you can get from Maplins, its not something Ive actually experimented with so I cant comment on that Im afraid.
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MollyCoddle

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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008, 12:53:05 PM »

@ kitz, HPsauce and b4dger,

Thanks for your feedback, and I am sorry for point 2 in my last post, I was half way to work when I realised I had posted too early in the morning. O/P-I/P mix up in my brain ---- doh.

To answer some of the points you kind souls have raised.

I am running off the ADSL Nation faceplate with no other wiring, do I still trial directly off the NTE backplate??

I will not post any further data, as it seems you have enough, unless you suggest the NTE backplate.

My strategy will be to give it a few more days then play with the DMT tool. If I find that the USR needs re-DMT'g after a power cycle, then I will order a new router. Changing my ISP soon may provide a suitable router change also.

Any thoughts on "4. 17070 has a "QUICK CLEANSE" option, is this a high current burst that blows HR/minor earth faults?."

I am determined to get more throughput  >:D.

Thanks again, MC
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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2008, 01:01:12 PM »

>> If I find that the USR needs re-DMT'g after a power cycle,

Im not certain on this - but afaik it uses a similar chipset as the Voyager 2100 series and share a similar CLI -  which doesnt retain DMT settings during a reboot.
I think I mentioned in another of your threads I wasnt sure if DMT tool would work on it or not and I was only guessing because of the chipset it uses.

It depends though on how USR have actually implemented their firmware, so it will have to be a case of try it and see Im afraid.
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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2008, 03:22:11 PM »

If you are sure there are no extensions connected then you shouldn't need to use the 'test' socket.

Before any tweaking I would monitor things and see if your line is stable.
Your first post showed you had previously had a low sync - but hopefully that was a one-off?!

Personally I would wait to see if your line proves to be stable - after a few weeks (or more!) if you are lucky then your Target SNR may get reduced automatically. If not, you could ask your ISP to arrange for your target to be lowered. But you should only do this if you are happy your line is stable.

If you don't have any luck with this, and you still 'feel the need', then I would look at tweaking your target via your router.

EDIT:
Reading your thread subject "What to ask poor ISP for?" - the answer could well be a 'MAC'  ::)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2008, 03:31:08 PM by b4dger »
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Re: What to ask poor ISP for
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2008, 04:14:36 PM »

@ b4dger, thanks, I will take your advice of waiting a few weeks now I have a throughput of >3Mb.

My low sync must have been going on for about 5 weeks, it came at a time I was taking a forced break and not able to analyse things. I am positive there is no extension wiring.

Hopefully I will get an auto reduction, as far as asking my ISP for anything, I am afraid my system can't take that many tranx. I have already committed to getting a MAC in the middle of January. I am currently researching a new ISP and have learned the hard way that you get what you pay for.

In the mean time, now I have found this site, I will continue my steep learning curve.

Thanx All
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