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[dee.jay]

Hopefully one day Openreach to bring in much needed = The new FTTP symmetric tier one day in the future! 

Anyway tomorrow will be 3 weeks of my FTTP service with Aquiss. No issues so far! 

You don't need it Neither do 99% of folks.

[adslmax]

You don't need it Neither do 99% of folks.

I know but we never know! OR might surprised us all.

[adslmax]

G.fast has now cease on the line with no sync.  Goodbye openreach Sogfast 
Just after midnight the line gone dead.

[kitz]

Without Kitz - we will not known this! My DSLStats is now empty in the recycling in the bin

As mentioned " its been fun working with numerous individuals who have also kindly shared knowledge and time to help others." 
By that I mean he likes of abso, BE, ronski b.cat for their early work on the Openreach modems to get stats... and Eric who built the fabulous DSLstas.  I love how members of this community pooled their knowledge.  There's people such as Carl and BS who shared technical expertise and countless others who gave you advise over the years.  I could not even begin to name how many people have contributed time to help others.

There's an awful lot of people who have helped you and given you advise over the past ~12 years that you've had vdsl2 and g.fast .   

[dee.jay]

Dial up -> ADSL -> VDSL -> FTTP
>56K -> 1-16Mbps -> 80Mps -> 1Gbps
That's quite an evolution over 30 years.

[Chrysalis]

This should more than suffice your needs.  I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of your traffic over the past couple of weeks were speedtests.
I think you’ve proved that you have an excellent connection which is considerably faster than that of a household your size.  It's been a tremendous thorn in your side that for the past couple of years that you were unable to get FTTP.  However, its here now and all looks good.  Time to sit back and chill and use all that lovely bandwidth for what its intended. I sincerely hope that you are chuffed to bits.   I am happy for you and all others that have leaped over to the bright side

FTTC has been an interesting journey, it brought many problems with stability on long lines and kept this forum busy with stats.  For me the biggest surprise was how much bandwidth was taken by crosstalk.  In the early days many people assumed there was some fault or instability.  Even Openreach seemed to have not expected FeXT to wipe out as much [real] SNR.  It affected long and short lines.. the shorter lines had harsher PCB.  I dont know exactly how many bit load profiles used by Openreach but it is no lie to say that at one point, I could have a pretty good stab at guessing which lines were:-

• Short/long distance from home to the cab. (short/long d-side)   
• Their cab was near/far to the exchange (short/long E-side)   

all based upon the shape of their bit load table and SNR patterns in the first 4 band plans -  particularly U1 and D2. 
I learned and shared a lot of DSL info.  I trawled through an enormous amount of technical papers and pestered a lot of contacts for more info about BT/Openreach DLM.   This info becomes redundant and dies now that we have FTTP.  All in all, its the end of an era which at times was hard work, but I enjoyed learning and its been fun working with numerous individuals who have also kindly shared knowledge and time to help others. 

Cheers!

My line had almost no usable bandwidth on the ADSL frequencies as it was a combination of short line profile from cabinet, but long line from exchange to cabinet, which meant I had lower VDSL power on lower tones anyway to protect longer VDSL lines, but also the worst power cutback on ADSL tones due to the long ADSL lines in the area.

Still despite that when I was the only one on the cabinet if I remember right I was circa 110-120mbit attainable sync speed.  within a short space of time it was reduced to 70-80mbit because of that cross talk.

Then the car crash happened which took out the cabinet, and after it was rebuilt, the crosstalk was consistently better than before and was able to keep a 80mbit sync.

I am glad I dont need to be concerned about stability profiles, noise injection, crosstalk, and whatever weird issues could occur on DSL.  DSL in the end was a sort of hack in the sense phone copper cables were used for something not designed, but they did manage to pull off miracles, we came from voice only, to dialup shared with voice, to circa 100mbit always on broadband.  But they did hit a ceiling eventually, the day was always going to come.

[adslmax]

The T Mobile mast by mound way woodside is always on band 3 (20MHz) by Three (4G) there is no 4G+ or 5G on mobile for years now, do you guys think Three will going to upgraded mast to enabled 4G+ and 5G and installed new mobile cabinets soon because of Openreach FTTP available for this mast? This mast also on EE (already on 5G on it)

Need badly improved mobile signal by Three.

See screenshot below

[kitz]

Sorry but you have totally lost me.  Is that the standard BT Broadband checker?
There seems like confusion over some basic info that you should already know.  I'm not sure that you now having FTTP would affect cellular networks.

Mobile companies do not use domestic broadband to supply their masts. It's totally separate, Mobile uses different frequencies to FTTH. You're not going to find anything about mobile mast upgrades from a broadband checker.

If you think about what is basic level information:

1) FTTP is where they install fibre between your cab to your home.
2) With FTTC fibre already runs from the HEAD-END exchange to your cab.
3) There is already fibre to the cabs since FTTC.

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ADSL
[LOCAL EXCHANGE] < ---------copper ---------> [ CAB ] < --------copper-------- > [HOUSE]

FTTC
[HEAD EXCHANGE]  < ========FIBRE======== > [ CAB ] < --------copper-------- > [HOUSE]

MOBILE
[HEAD EXCHANGE]  < ========FIBRE======== > [ MAST ] ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ [HOUSE]

FTTP
[HEAD EXCHANGE]  < ========FIBRE======== > [ CAB ] < ========FIBRE ======== > [HOUSE]

By Openreach providing Fibre To The Home doesnt affect mobile networks. FTTP/FTTH is upgrading to fibre between the cab and the home.  Its not like T-Mobile is going to put a cellular mast in your lounge.  They can update their masts (usually located near a cab) whenever they want.

I thought TMobile is no longer in operation in the UK and they were bought out by EE. You say there is already an EE 5G service at the cab location.  This proves that other network carriers could also install masts at that location.  afaik theres nothing other than cost stopping Three from upgrading to 5G   

[adslmax]

Sorry to confused you Kitz. Just off the Topic for mobile etc.

My FTTP is connected to Wellington Handover exchange with no issues.

I just talk about my area T Mobile Mast (provider by Three) as they always have 4G Band 3 (20MHz) for everyone's mobile signal around Woodside area for outdoor walking etc. Of course EE already on it 5G (Band 1,3) (20MHz, 20MHz, 20MHz, 40MHz) but surely Three are suppose to put Band 1 on it? (no improvement 4G+ as it were promised for ages) The checker for mobile telecommunication just say Full Fibre available now for Three to upgraded network at the mast in nearer future or now. Or maybe Full Fibre got nothing to do with the mast overall?

[meritez]

@adslmax

Since Vodafone and Three have merged, then it's up to Vodafone as the majority member to make mast upgrade decisions.

The mobile networks tend to use leased lines for back haul into dark fibre.

[kitz]

maybe Full Fibre got nothing to do with the mast overall?

No.  As per my post above the cellular upgrades are totally unconnected with FTTP. 
They dont use the Openreach FTTP network at all. (nor FTTC/ADSL cone to that).  Broadband and mobile use different technologies. What they may do is purchase bandwidth on the BTcore or Openreach backhaul. {I'm not about to do a full tutorial about who owns what and the various ways it could be done, as thats more something for the main site, but to cut a long story short they access the backbone at various entry points.} 
Think about it like a private line where all the bandwidth is theirs, its not shared with the Openreach broadband network... its their own "pipe". They can enter the backhaul at various points, but because there is already fibre running to the (FTTC) cabs its usually cheaper to use the same routing and thats why so many masts tend tto be near Openreach cabs.   They arent limited to cabs, as long as they lay a cable to the backhaul they they can put it on top of a hill or mountain if they wish.  Think about the number of masts on top of a hill where theres not a cab for miles.

It's entirely up to the carrier when they upgrade.  Its usually financial based on projected usage and return.

There's still no Three 5G coverage here yet weve had FTTP since 2020. I think we got Vodafone 5G in 23/24 so a few yeaars after FTTP. Conversely there are some areas in a neighbouring town who got 5G before FTTP.

The checker for mobile telecommunication just say Full Fibre available now for Three

That sounds like them trying to sell you FTTP and switch your broadband to them.  I get this on the Three checker:
 

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5G Coverage Unavailable
Unfortunately, our 5G network isn't currently available in this area.
Great news!
You can get our Home Broadband

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