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[HPsauce]

There are millions of telegraph poles. Entire neighbourhoods, towns and areas of cities have been served by them for longer than you or I have been alive. It's been fine. A bunch of them carry electricity, too, and that's also been fine.

Somewhat amused by this thread so I'll just add my ten cents worth as I live in such an area.
Our electricity supply is overhead (even though we have a substation at the far end of our back garden). Our Openreach infrastructure is overhead copper, though there are ducts to some of the poles from local cabinets (we have FTTC not FTTP).
We did have some of the electricity poles replaced a few years ago, but I've lived in this area for nigh-on 50 years and never heard any reports of fallen poles. We have a LOT of trees and they do come down (sometimes with sadly fatal results) in very high winds. 

We do however, have cable ducts in most streets (including ours) for what I think is now Virgin. Many people, me included, were attracted to their offer but didn't want their gardens/driveways dug up to run the cable in from the Kerbside. So we're waiting for FTTP to arrive in "a year or so" which hopefully will also be overhead. 

[perlen]

Every now and then you will get a pole-crash which is the nature of poles at the side of the highway. Openreach have dedicated response teams for such occasions. Obviously if the fibre was underground no such colisions could ever take place... but it is always about the ££££££ 

[XGS_Is_On]

I thought I might be victory against Openreach but sadly it go ahead now. I think I have to trust XGS_Is_On that every new poles will be much stronger one and won't fallen down. We shall see, if it does fall down then I know who are to blame!

Victory would mean you don't get FTTP from Openreach. Wouldn't be a victory that costs them anything either, they'd save money on the pole installs and spend it somewhere else.

You wouldn't get Project Gigabit funding as you're in an area with cable. VM would be your only option once they've upgraded the network there which may be 2028.

The poles will be similar to the about 4 million poles in the Openreach network. They'll be the lightest poles that can handle the load expected. Their placement and type will have been calculated by Openreach staff using planning software and documents informed by millions of pole installs.

Just for clarity, roughly 4,000,000 poles in the Openreach network. How often do you read about them falling over and killing people?

I'm bemused by this entire thread. You really need to find better ways to spend your time than dwelling on things like this, especially when you were aware and supportive before. I've tried to answer your questions on Think Broadband but you've instead invented problems that don't really exist and worried over them.

You're more likely to be hit by lightning than a telegraph pole. You going to write to your MP about that too? Exactly.

[adslmax]

Look like I got no other choice now.

My option will be:

1) Stay on G.fast (underground cable)
2) Wait until VM rolled out FTTP Cable (hopefully underground cable)
3) Try FTTP overhead by the pole and see if it more reliable ever

[tubaman]

Look like I got no other choice now.

My option will be:

1) Stay on G.fast (underground cable)
2) Wait until VM rolled out FTTP Cable (hopefully underground cable)
3) Try FTTP overhead by the pole and see if it more reliable ever

At some point in time staying on G.fast won't be an option either as I'm sure Openreach will eventually want to get rid of all copper connections. As for VM, I thought you'd vowed never to use them again after a previous poor experience?

[adslmax]

I won't be using VM (HFC)

[Alex Atkin UK]

Look like I got no other choice now.

My option will be:
2) Wait until VM rolled out FTTP Cable (hopefully underground cable)

I recon there's a very high chance that VM will put their fibre on the Openreach poles, as its going to be a lot easier than using their old ducting.

[adslmax]

There's a 99.9% chance that VM will put their fibre on the Openreach poles.

Think Openreach won't allow it

[Alex Atkin UK]

Think Openreach won't allow it

Pretty sure that's how the new network is rolled out as its completely independent of the old network.  Its even how they extended their existing network to my area with RFoG.

VM completely avoided doing my end of the road years ago because they didn't want to bother with the cost of ducting past a local park.

[dee.jay]

Think Openreach won't allow it

They have to. It’s called physical infrastructure access (PIA)

[XGS_Is_On]

I recon there's a very high chance that VM will put their fibre on the Openreach poles, as its going to be a lot easier than using their old ducting.

Highly unlikely. They can pull microduct with the coax they're replacing. Don't have to pay rental to use their own duct either. Be very few edge cases where that would make sense especially given it means cabling back to an interconnect between VM and Openreach or building a new one.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Highly unlikely. They can pull microduct with the coax they're replacing. Don't have to pay rental to use their own duct either. Be very few edge cases where that would make sense especially given it means cabling back to an interconnect between VM and Openreach or building a new one.

Surely the COAX has to remain in place until they can migrate all their existing customers over?

I guess its a fair point that even having to clear ducts would be better value long term than paying your competitor rent.

[adslmax]

Surely the COAX has to remain in place until they can migrate all their existing customers over?

Highly unlikely unless the customer order it and more likely have to pay for FTTP fed from HFC to their end of the customer premises

[XGS_Is_On]

Surely the COAX has to remain in place until they can migrate all their existing customers over?

Almost everyone in the area will have a coax drop in place from a previous order. I'm talking about using that not the trunk coax. That runs in between cabinets in a different duct from the cables serving the homes and issues there are fixed as part of build. It's either fix a small blockage in your own duct or core/build a chamber, build duct to an Openreach chamber and core into it. Properties with no previous cable it's standard now for VM to open a streetworks request in case of blockages and of course they'd rod and rope from swept tee to cabinet in advance if possible.

The only time they're using Openreach plant is greenfield at the moment. May be the odd extreme case where they can't get across a major road and have broken duct so use PIA but routinely isn't a thing.

Would be kinda funny though in this case.

[adslmax]

I have now decided to give it a try using Openreach FTTP by the pole when it available in April next year.

FTTP 500/75