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Author Topic: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout  (Read 39445 times)

adamskiodp

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OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« on: May 21, 2025, 05:05:57 PM »

Hi folks,

Where I live Openreach have installed FTTP infrastructure across most of the town (See OR coverage map attached).

AltNets have installed competing infrastructure in just over half of the town but not the other half, geographically speaking, not population (see AltNet coverage map).

I've contacted some of the AltNet providers and asked if they have any plans to increase their presence in the town but none have so far.

Any thoughts on why this might be?

It's not as if one half is more affluent and therefore more likely to upgrade and pay for an FTTP service.

It seems unfair that half of the town only has access to Openreach FTTP and doesn't benefit from the competition which brings better deals and choice of ISP.
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2025, 05:58:00 PM »

Altnets are starting to hit cashflow issues, primarily due to their interest on debts situation.  But there also could be other reasons of course.

We even starting to get altnets pulling out of state subsidised rollout contracts now, which shows how bad it is getting.

I said a while ago, with telecoms its nearly always the same story, the first part of rollout is like they have money spilling out of their pockets, its inefficiently done, generously done, then they start to care about costs mid phase and eventually the accountant hammer comes down and it all comes to a halt, usually before the original ambition is achieved.

The only provider who has a chance of meeting their goals is probably Openreach.

If it makes you feel better, you still have FTTP availability, and OR wont be the worst network as it has a mature wholesale infrastructure, giving you a lavish choice of high quality established retail ISP's.  I would rather be in that situation than be on a smaller retail lock in altnet who has primitive transit/peering arrangements, CGNAT etc.
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2025, 10:10:25 AM »

The biggest problem is it isn't one Alt net! There is five or six vying for customers. :( :(
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adamskiodp

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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2025, 10:53:37 AM »

And non apart form OR seem to want to come the other side of the railway line (which seems to be a dividing line).
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2025, 11:41:15 AM »

As above, think yourself lucky that the one you do have is Openreach. Wessex Internet are installing in my village this year and I will be going with them but I'll have to use them as my ISP as there is no other choice if I want FTTP.
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2025, 02:09:39 PM »

And non apart form OR seem to want to come the other side of the railway line (which seems to be a dividing line).

Have you actually tried YouFibre? As their roll out map shows a large area for coverage.
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adamskiodp

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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2025, 07:39:26 PM »

The YouFibre map is again only on the northeastern half of town.

I cant check on YouFibre's website as I wont enter my name, mobile number and email,  just to see if it's in my location. 
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2025, 08:53:44 PM »

The YouFibre map is again only on the northeastern half of town.

I cant check on YouFibre's website as I wont enter my name, mobile number and email,  just to see if it's in my location.

The Netomnia rollout map, is where you need to look. But if you don't want to even enter into conversation with them. Isn't it more your own fault?
Have you spotted any changes on the street around you? Do you have poles on your street?  New pits?
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adamskiodp

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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2025, 11:17:26 PM »

Why would I need to have a conversation just to see if they have fibre in my street?

All other Fibre providers I have looked at can tell me just by putting my postcode and house number in. Why should I have to give them my phone number, email and name as well. Seems like they want them for no justifiable reason other than marketing. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2025, 11:01:00 AM »

Why would I need to have a conversation just to see if they have fibre in my street?

All other Fibre providers I have looked at can tell me just by putting my postcode and house number in. Why should I have to give them my phone number, email and name as well. Seems like they want them for no justifiable reason other than marketing. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Isn't that what you want? Marketing to find out if they cover your area! ??? ???
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adamskiodp

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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2025, 12:36:27 PM »

I'm just not willing to give those personal details just to find out if they cover my street.  Plenty of other ISP's manage it without having my details except address. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2025, 01:23:27 PM »

Could it perhaps be something to do with topography and location of the property and area access? Generally speaking, the obvious division is the A41 dual carriage way.  Closer inspection on google maps shows that the vast majority of land to the west comprises of industrial estates and retail parks.  There is some infill for pte residency at the northern and southern tips and the alnets do have a small presence in this area. On the other side of the industry and retail parks.. parallish to the A41 there are railway lines.

Looking on google maps there are several new or newish housing estates some of houses look a bit '70 build type - that have been built on land on the other side of the rail tracks.  This land is appx 1km wide in parts, less in others.. but after that there are miles of open fields.   

It reminds me of a weird type of war time no-man's land.

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..... and when looking again on google maps, I noticed something that first-time I'd passed off as railway bridges. It turns out those newish estates have several rivers/streams and brooks in them that will possibly need a lot more planing.
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Re: OR vs AltNet FTTP rollout
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2025, 04:41:52 PM »

Another factor that may or may not be relevant is the massive amount of Civil Engineering work on the South and West side of Aylesbury for  the HS2 route which is on the surface there.
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