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Author Topic: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot  (Read 6275 times)

Chrysalis

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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2024, 06:58:02 PM »

My Asus AC68 used to run really hot, if I remember it routinely hit 90s Celsius without active cooling, I did end up running active cooling on it as was never comfy with those temps, but I think 60C for a CPU is ok though.

Ironically I took the 2 tiny fans I used of it to now cool my N100.  Although I now have an attenuator to run them slower.  A note, the N100 is primarily being cooled for the NVME and ram, not the CPU.
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2024, 01:49:46 AM »

The misunderstanding here is that a device running hot does not make it more of a fire risk than a device running cool, as both devices would have to develop serious faults and in that case both would be an equal fire risk.  Given they are current limited from the PSU/PoE, its going to be almost impossible to start a fire, you'd need a potent accelerant to do the heavy lifting which as I said earlier, a hot summers day would be more of a risk then.

It would be like turning your radiator temperature down because you're afraid it will set the wallpaper on fire, when its designed to be put on a wall with wallpaper behind it.

I highly doubt there have been any cases of a router/AP causing a house fire, when following the operating instructions.  I've seen people put them on the windowsill with the curtains draped over them, even then the odds are slim that if a component burns out its going to burn long enough to compromise the case.  There are safety standards to make sure a case does not combust from a faulty component, this is why you have be cautious buying from Temu/Aliexpress as they may look the same but not follow those standards.

House fires are caused by much higher currents that a router, such as the AC to DC plug of the router, a loose connection is mains wiring (or a rodent chewed through the cable) and most commonly would be cheap unsafe Chinese phone chargers or defective phone batteries.
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2024, 09:56:01 PM »

Of course, my concern was stability and potential degradation of the chip.
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2024, 11:22:38 PM »

News

"WiFi router with connection issues sets home on fire"

5 days ago

https://metro.co.uk/2024/11/29/wifi-router-with-connection-issues-sets-home-fire-22087092/
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2024, 12:30:42 AM »

News

"WiFi router with connection issues sets home on fire"

5 days ago

https://metro.co.uk/2024/11/29/wifi-router-with-connection-issues-sets-home-fire-22087092/

"A homeowner claims"

the cause of the blaze was still to be determined

I mean she has no insurance so of course is going to be trying to blame someone.

Plus the router was in a bedroom, we have no way to know if it was next to spilt cosmetics or covered in laundry.

The video looks even more suspicious as it looks like the router is in the video, in seemingly good condition compared to the rest of the room.
https://www.tiktok.com/@yeahthatskeeee/video/7440224540682095915
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2024, 08:05:05 AM »

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The video looks even more suspicious as it looks like the router is in the video, in seemingly good condition compared to the rest of the room.
https://www.tiktok.com/@yeahthatskeeee/video/7440224540682095915

Yes, the alleged cause of the fire appears to be somewhat more intact than I'd expect if it was at the root of it all (in the corner of the room at 0:13 seconds in). ???
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2024, 12:57:42 PM »

The Router was in the fire for sure

The casing has made it through the fire regardless of what started the fire. It is probably made with an inflammable material

There looks to be a power bar on the bottom of the left wall

The Router malfunction caused an electrical fire. Probably the wall plug or wires behind the left wall

It could have started drawing too many Amps, heated up the electrics & the electric wires & plug went on fire

She says there wasn't a problem until her Router was replaced


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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2024, 02:28:20 AM »

The Router was in the fire for sure

The casing has made it through the fire regardless of what started the fire. It is probably made with an inflammable material

There looks to be a power bar on the bottom of the left wall

The Router malfunction caused an electrical fire. Probably the wall plug or wires behind the left wall

It could have started drawing too many Amps, heated up the electrics & the electric wires & plug went on fire

She says there wasn't a problem until her Router was replaced

Its literally impossible for a router to pull enough power to set the power bar on fire, far more likely a fault within the power bar itself.

She's blaming the router to try to get her ISP to pay for the damages as she has no home contents insurance.

Power bars are problematic, especially in the US where they are not required to have a fuse.  Heck, the one my PCs were plugged into I once discovered the cat had peed on it, was lucky I didn't get electrocuted.

Bottom line, the absolute least likely cause of the fire is the router.
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2024, 12:36:10 PM »

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Bottom line, the absolute least likely cause of the fire is the router.

Agree absolutely. This is a perfect example of 'correlation is not causation' .
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2024, 03:26:03 PM »

Here is another user's Quantum setup:

https://www.tiktok.com/@assassinteddies/video/7440485805874810143

Something in this setup caused the fire: modem, router, plugs

My point is electrical devices can cause fires & that's indisputable
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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2024, 09:49:18 PM »

Something in this setup caused the fire: modem, router, plugs

Says the uninsured tenant wanting to find someone to pay for the fire damage.  She provided zero evidence they were actually the cause.

Although I would argue fitting things at floor level is dumb, its just asking it to gather dust and the customer to smother it with furniture.  I could totally imagine a pile of laundry ending up covering it.

I know someone who was a cleaning fanatic, would vacuum several times a week, practically daily but never once thought to clean their Xbox 360 external power brick because out of sight, out of mind.

I've long thought all outlets should be ABOVE furniture level, this does seem to be the case in some countries.  The whole idea of choosing aesthetically pleasing over safety is stupid.

My point is electrical devices can cause fires & that's indisputable

But generally its high voltage/current electrical devices that do, because low voltage don't have the energy to do so unless there an accelerant around.

The old "one spark can cause a fire" is obviously true, but in 99.9% of cases one spark wont.  We rely on this fact as halogen light bulbs when they fail often explode, LED light bulbs its usually the smoothing capacitor that dries up and literally burns out.  Electrical items are designed around burning out as a safe failure mode, because the rest of the item is designed to not catch fire.

Which is why it tends be the AC adapter where problems occur, as if its designed badly (such as a cheap Chinese USB chargers) then it may not have the same safety features, such as high temperature self extinguishing plastic casings.

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Re: TP-Link EAP 650 running hot
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2024, 10:30:54 AM »

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My point is electrical devices can cause fires & that's indisputable

They certainly can but I'm still very much of the opinion that the router that is the subject here did not cause one.
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