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[parkdale]

My bad.. should have re-read ... PCIe 3.1 not NVME  . I see it's gone now. 22110 size would be ok on my motherboard, and would sit underneath the motherboard M.2 heat sink.

Last September I bought a 1Tb Samsung 980 Pro with heat sink for £99.79 with was cheaper than 980 Pro without! 

[Alex Atkin UK]

I've seen a few SSDs show up cheaper with the heatsink than without, its weird when that happens but I'd guess as its common for motherboards to already have heatsinks they maybe don't sell as many?

[parkdale]

One M.2 slot out of 4 on my motherboard has no heat sink.. 980 pro was ideal for this.

[Chrysalis]

I've seen a few SSDs show up cheaper with the heatsink than without, its weird when that happens but I'd guess as its common for motherboards to already have heatsinks they maybe don't sell as many?

Probably only last 2 generations of boards, we had 2-3 generations mostly without heatsinks on m.2 slots.  My board has no heatsinks.

[Chrysalis]

My bad.. should have re-read ... PCIe 3.1 not NVME  . I see it's gone now. 22110 size would be ok on my motherboard, and would sit underneath the motherboard M.2 heat sink.

Last September I bought a 1Tb Samsung 980 Pro with heat sink for £99.79 with was cheaper than 980 Pro without! 

How you finding these deals, that price not as crazy as the p4600 but still unheard off.

[parkdale]

How you finding these deals

Too much time on my hands since I've retired  Also since Intel have sold off their Optane Memory division, now owned by SK Hynix (Solidigm), or maybe Novatech had stock sitting on balance sheets for too long so needed the room.

Most of the time just happened to be looking at the right time...

For a short time couple of years ago I used to work as a stock controller for a clothing company, the amount of stock that was written off  some prize items made their way to my place and not to the skip .

[Chrysalis]

Oh yeah I have seen that also, companies prefer to throw stock away instead of selling it for less as it devalues their brand.

[Alex Atkin UK]

The UK didn't seem to get the good deals on Optane that the US has been getting to clear old stock.

Optane seems ideal for a boot drive as it its lifespan is insane compared to NAND.   Its a shame they never could get the cost down enough to make it mainstream.

[Chrysalis]

It probably needed Intel to loss lead to get market share, which ARC has shown they wont do.

Was a waste, all that effort to create something then give up so soon.

[Alex Atkin UK]

This is the flaw with Capitalism sometimes, they don't have the liberty to allow years for something to become profitable, especially if you're a company constantly chucking millions into R&D.

There needs to be a restructuring of how it all works, short-term share holders profits should not be first and foremost, there needs to be more focus on the long-term sustainability of the business.  Its far too easy to run a business into the ground, cut your losses then form/take over another business and do the same.

[Chrysalis]

Yep, I am pretty sure standard SSDs took a while to become mainstream.  Sometimes the patience just isnt there.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Capitalism right now just baffles me.  I'm sure I remember being taught that investing is a gamble and shareholders are not guaranteed a return.  Yet at some point that turned on its head and shareholders returns are more important than a sustainable business.

Then again I briefly did business studies at school and the few things I remember are contrary to how modern businesses operate, that may also be where the above came from, I don't recall.

There is another Intel enterprise class NVME for sale https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/intel-solid-state-drive-dc-p4511-series-solid-state-drive-encrypted-1-tb-internal-m-2-22110-pci-express-3-1-x4-nvme-256-bit-aes/ssdpelkx010t801.html
But the NVME 3.1 part has put me off slightly, some people have found they can't boot from it... still £59.99 still a bargain.

Forgot to mention I was the one who snagged that, insane as looking now they are still going for up to £400.

Currently use it as a scratch drive when ripping Blurays.  Would like to put it in my server but I'd need a PCIe x1 to 22110 adapter (assuming that drive falls back to x1 mode but I'd think so), which don't seem to exist.  There are x4 to 22110 but as x1 are less common they all seem to be based on the smaller drives.

I'd still prefer Optane for the better life span though.

I'm waiting for a 10Gbit x1 NIC to come out instead as that seems more likely and then I could use the x4 slot for full bandwidth.

[Ronski]

Out of curiosity what was the price of the P4600?

[Chrysalis]

If I remember right was about £120.

However I wonder if I have anything outside of the very basic consumer retail warranty, as although these originally had a lengthy Intel warranty, Intel has now fobbed of the whole product line to another company who now have it listed as a EOL product with no way to get firmware, to register it etc.

This was very likely the reason for the heavy discount.

The drive is definitely considerably slower than my consumer drives in certain tasks, noticeably in single threaded i/o.  As an example my 860 EVO sata SSD beats it in single threaded 4k, although it will beat that on sequential.

At the time I got this NVME prices hadnt yet crashed so ultimately was still good value, I am using it for my heaviest write type workloads of which I will appreciate NAND performance.

It does of course have certain niceness, 30% factory over provision vs the consumer standard of under 5%, power loss caps which allows the drive to ignore all fsync at the drive level (so will be fast in certain fsync workloads), the chunky heatsink it runs really cool, so because of the factory over provisioning I wouldnt care about filling up this drive, I manually over provision my ssd's normally at 10%.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Enterprise drives are optimised for random IO though aren't they?  WAY higher IOPS than consumer drives if I recall correctly?