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Author Topic: Germany/Europe ONT Market.  (Read 2055 times)

Dwight

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Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« on: August 30, 2022, 01:45:16 PM »

Hi.
One for the Academics out there!
If Germany has an open market for its ONTs, does the rest of Europe?
and if so.
Why can't we have the same?

Thanks.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2022, 01:48:42 PM »

Because our telcos currently don't want the hassle of dealing with compatibility issues and having to get end users to call and pair up their own ONT?

Honestly, having the demarcation point being the ethernet port of an ONT is FAR better for the end user, as long as the ONT provides a bridge mode.  If it breaks, the ISP replaces it and the end user gets a much wider choice of router hardware.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2022, 02:20:47 PM »

Hi.
One for the Academics out there!
If Germany has an open market for its ONTs, does the rest of Europe?
and if so.
Why can't we have the same?

Thanks.
David

Who is we, which country, this may interest you:
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26900.0.html
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2022, 03:43:24 PM »

Who is we, which country, this may interest you:
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26900.0.html

I think that's very much the point, we have to jump through hoops so its less appealing and there is little market for the hardware.

Though this still applies to many countries including in Europe too, they gain the benefit of being a large landmass so it doesn't take many networks allowing you to use your own ONT to make it a viable market.

On the other hand AFAIK no telco in the UK allows using your own ONT (officially) so there is no reason to ship those products here at all, other than to the networks themselves.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2022, 03:55:33 PM »

It should just be this:
https://www.fs.com/uk/products/133619.html

and the serial from your current ONT to replace the ONT.

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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2022, 04:35:35 PM »

It should just be this:
https://www.fs.com/uk/products/133619.html

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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2022, 09:12:57 PM »

Excellent!
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2022, 09:23:53 PM »

Hi Gents,
This is the thing, I would like only one box to do it all.
But have also heard, that Dream Machine Pro SE being used direct with optical line. Way out of my league!
So yes, it would be nice to have an ONT/Router that would server all. Also I would think it would give consumers a better choice. As news groups are still full of awful wifi from the mainstream hubs, and VM don't get started on that!
So thanks for all your input and I will delve deeper.
https://service-provider.tp-link.com/gpon/archer-xr500v/
Something like this i was thinking!
Dwight
« Last Edit: August 30, 2022, 10:02:27 PM by Dwight »
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2022, 11:19:47 PM »

How does it give customers a better choice?

With a dedicated ONT you can use any ethernet router, if it breaks its the ISPs problem not mine, compatibility is guaranteed.

If the ONT is built-in then you're talking a much more specialist item.  Even if they become more common as FTTP becomes standard, there's another problem.

So you bought an ONT gateway, it has GPON, you want to upgrade your package and oh dear, your network wants to move you onto XGSPON.  If you spent a fortune then maybe you can swap your GPON SFP ONT for a XGSPON SFP+ ONT, if you didn't then oh dear, new router time.

In my configuration with the Openreach ONT (max 2.5W), pfSense box (~11w) and dedicated Access Point (not sure the power consumption), I have a better configuration than an all-in-one.  If using your own ONT becomes a thing, odds are standalone ONTs will die off so I'd have to use a gateway/router all-in-one in bridge mode, which would use a LOT more electricity than a standalone ONT as you can't generally turn off the power to the components you don't need like WiFi.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2022, 11:32:13 PM »

If using your own ONT becomes a thing, odds are standalone ONTs will die off so I'd have to use a gateway/router all-in-one in bridge mode, which would use a LOT more electricity than a standalone ONT as you can't generally turn off the power to the components you don't need like WiFi.

If that situation ever became true, you would use a media converter with a SFP+ cage (for the GPON or XGSPON optic) and an Ethernet port (to provides the connectivity for your gubbins).
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2022, 11:49:44 PM »

If that situation ever became true, you would use a media converter with a SFP+ cage (for the GPON or XGSPON optic) and an Ethernet port (to provides the connectivity for your gubbins).

So basically you're just back to a dedicated ONT, destroying the whole original point.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2022, 12:24:34 AM »

So basically you're just back to a dedicated ONT,

Yes. That, I thought, was what you would actually prefer . . .  ::)

And, of course, you could do that today. But don't tell anyone that I mentioned it.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2022, 12:35:31 AM »

If that situation ever became true, you would use a media converter with a SFP+ cage (for the GPON or XGSPON optic) and an Ethernet port (to provides the connectivity for your gubbins).

The previous landlord provided internet like that to all the premises in his business park.
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2022, 02:25:36 AM »

Yes. That, I thought, was what you would actually prefer . . .  ::)

And, of course, you could do that today. But don't tell anyone that I mentioned it.

It is of course what I'd have to do if we get there, but you missed my previous point that I like that the ONT is the networks responsibility - even though that can be a slight disadvantage due to longer downtime if it fails waiting for a replacement.

I guess if some cheap pfSense appliances appear with SFP+ ports, I'd possibly feel differently.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2022, 02:28:26 AM by Alex Atkin UK »
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Re: Germany/Europe ONT Market.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2022, 05:32:25 AM »

I myself would like to be able to have a duplicate, ready programmed ONT on-site, in case of disastrous hw failure.
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