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Author Topic: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)  (Read 1056 times)

Alex Atkin UK

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FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« on: July 28, 2022, 04:43:30 PM »

[Moderator note: This post and all that follow have been split off from bogof's "Worse Zen FTTP 900 performance following GEA migration" topic.]

I'd forgotten all about this one, I think its TalkTalk hosted. https://www.supportal-test.co.uk/
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2022, 05:33:58 PM »

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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2022, 06:42:48 PM »

I'd forgotten all about this one, I think its TalkTalk hosted. https://www.supportal-test.co.uk/
Unfortunately they keep their server private, under license from Ookla, so it's only possible to use it from the customised webpage you linked.  It would be nice to do a like for like comparison from the command line tools.
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2022, 07:13:28 PM »

Unfortunately they keep their server private, under license from Ookla, so it's only possible to use it from the customised webpage you linked.  It would be nice to do a like for like comparison from the command line tools.

Poking around, I came across a certain string --

"customerServers":[13967],

Would you be able to use that information?
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2022, 07:20:55 PM »

Poking around, I came across a certain string --

"customerServers":[13967],

Would you be able to use that information?
Thanks, I didn't see that, instead I tried to connect via the FQDN for their server, that you should be able to do, but it doesn't work.  I did just try via the server ID, but it also fails with the same error.  So I do think they're making an active decision to use the Ookla test, but only really for the benefit of their customers (of course you can use their custom web page, but realistically how many folk are going to do that...)
For reference this is what the complaint is from the tool:
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root@Home-Dream-Machine-SE:/mnt/data/speedtest# ./speedtest -s 13967
[error] Configuration - No servers defined (NoServersException)
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2022, 08:40:27 PM »

I did just try via the server ID, but it also fails with the same error.

Ah, so TalkTalk are being very careful. (That must be a first.  :D  )
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2022, 09:57:09 PM »

For those using speedtest.net services, ideally I would run via the speedtest-cli tool to avoid browser shenanigans.
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2022, 10:04:58 PM »

For those using speedtest.net services, ideally I would run via the speedtest-cli tool to avoid browser shenanigans.
I think that (confusingly) the "speedtest-cli" tool is a 3rd party (or at least, outdated) Python creation, which has access to only a limited subset of servers.  There is a thing referenced on Ookla's site as "Speedtest CLI" which is available only as a binary, just called "speedtest" and has access to all the current servers (that are public).

I'm only using the official "speedtest" command line application downloaded from Ookla's website.  It's available for many architectures, I'm using the Windows, OSX and Linux (ARM and X86) versions.

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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2022, 12:17:16 AM »

For those using speedtest.net services, ideally I would run via the speedtest-cli tool to avoid browser shenanigans.

Unfortunately as far as I'm aware it lacks a single connection/stream speed test though. Even their Windows app apparently lacks the option too. Sometimes doing that type of test is necessary in highlighting a problem.
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2022, 02:03:21 AM »

I think that (confusingly) the "speedtest-cli" tool is a 3rd party (or at least, outdated) Python creation, which has access to only a limited subset of servers.

I'm not sure what that's about tbh, I've seen the same servers work sometimes and not work other times using that tool as I pointed out before.

It does not however:

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There is the potential for this tool to report results inconsistent with Speedtest.net. There are several concepts to be aware of that factor into the potential inconsistency:

    Speedtest.net has migrated to using pure socket tests instead of HTTP based tests
    This application is written in Python
    Different versions of Python will execute certain parts of the code faster than others
    CPU and Memory capacity and speed will play a large part in inconsistency between Speedtest.net and even other machines on the same network
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2022, 11:32:16 AM »

<off-topic>
What’s a
        "Broadband CASR (e.g. DIAxxxxx) " ?
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2022, 12:34:51 PM »

<off-topic>
What’s a
        "Broadband CASR (e.g. DIAxxxxx) " ?
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TalkTalk use them to define a circuit, FTTPXXXXX for example FTTP12345
Customer Apparatus Site Reference I would guess
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TTB Delivery have advised that new orders are not getting an order reference (CASR) in NSOM

DIA = https://www.talktalkbusiness.co.uk/dedicated-internet-access/
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Re: FTTP Service Speed Testing (Whatever that May Imply.)
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2022, 01:16:45 PM »

I understand now, CASR is a TalkTalk-specific thing. Is BBEUnnnnnnn a BT-specific thing and is it similar ? I see BBEU numbers reported to me by AA in a PPPoEoA or PPP connect acknowledgment message. Not sure of the protocol association details. I posted about this last year somewhere.

AA now, thank god, sends you this BBEU plus an upstream IP PDU rate, and current up- and downstream sync rates for the link. A Firebrick can now use this to calculate the right egress rate or upstream PPP bitrate from the upstream sync rate each time you PPP-connect. Before, in the bad old days, you had to guess an upstream rate and specify it in the Firebrick’s XML config, and the number was never up to date as the sync rate upstream could vary.
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