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Author Topic: Alternatives to Huawei  (Read 2316 times)

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Alternatives to Huawei
« on: April 10, 2022, 08:40:15 PM »

(Yes, I know, I know; I’m ahead of you already.)

Say someone like me wants to avoid buying Chinese products. Rather than buying kit from Huawei such as 4G/5G hardware, optical hardware, who can I buy from?

Nokia is one alternative for certain kit?
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2022, 08:56:44 PM »

Nokia and Adtran are the other two manufacturers currently used by Openreach.
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2022, 09:53:20 PM »

Mikrotik
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2022, 10:15:49 PM »

Good point about Mikrotik, am already a fan. What product categories were you thinking of Meritez?
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2022, 10:31:21 PM »

Mikrotik

This for routers and switches.

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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2022, 11:15:08 PM »

What about alternative suppliers of 4G USB ‘dongle’-type NICs ?
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2022, 12:36:54 AM »

Good point about Mikrotik, am already a fan. What product categories were you thinking of Meritez?

Routers, switches, sfps, powerline, gpon, wireless, virtual, containers.

What's the problem with Chinese hardware?
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2022, 12:46:24 AM »

What's the problem with Chinese hardware?

Nothing. (Probably.) But "T. Ronald Dump" decided there was a problem . . .  ::)
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2022, 05:49:43 AM »

It's been bubbling in the background for many years what damage they could do.  The possibility of snooping goes back so far as about 2012.. which co-coincided with BTOpenreach's move to purchasing mostly ECI cabs during 2012-13.   

Don't let it trigger a conspiracy theory as they have always used more than one supplier and back then ECI was considered advanced in some of the technology.   For example although we had the concept of vectoring, ECI were the first and only manufacturer who at that time were making DSLAMs to support system based vectoring.   Don't let the fact that ECI isn't much liked on these  forums due to the farce with G.INP and the M41s cant do system based vectoring, 10 years ago ECI were considered highly respected by Europe SPs.

I guess we will never know for sure why BTOpenreach never upgraded to the V41's, it could have been a case of bad timing if they placed orders for 100's of M41's in 2011 when there wasnt yet hardware available, but should they have changed track and upgraded to V31's like one of the German SPs did.  Should BT have been more aware of hardware due to hit the market in the coming months.  Anyhow I digress, but I can certainly remember us discussing rumours of Huawei kit having the possibility to spy had been brought up and a matter of concern ~10 years ago. It all went quiet for a while BTOpenreach was using more ECIs and it was decided the DSLAMs were dumb and a moot point as Openreach weren't using them for any core equip for DSL    It raised its head again after Trump got in power who wanted Boris to disallow Huawei practically anywhere in any of our networks.  It mostly impacted the mobile network this time but based on the sane fears that originated a decade ago.
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2022, 08:57:25 AM »

There are plenty of non Chinese companies marketing electronic products but an awful lot of what they market is still manufactured in China. That manufacturing part in China will still be under the influence of the Chinese communist party.
@Weaver, if you look at your iPad I suspect that's Chinese made too, although I believe they have now moved some manufacturing to Vietnam - another Communist state.
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2022, 09:38:27 AM »

I don't see why Communism needs to be brought into this, China might claim a "Communist party" but their actions are FAR from Communism IMO.

If you're truly following Communism, you'd treat your people a darn site better than China do, there should be no poor and I'd think it pretty hard to be such a huge manufacturing superpower under actual Communism, which is one of the things people object to (most people like the idea of being able to get rich, even if its extremely unlikely to happen to them).
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2022, 10:38:16 AM »

I mentioned that Vietnam is also Communist as I believe their record on human rights etc is little better than China's, so having your electronics made there isn't ideal either.
You are quite correct about how true Communism should function and that China is not an example of that.
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2022, 11:53:50 AM »

Glad were on the same page there, you can get into some pretty harsh arguments about that stuff, especially with people in the US who have no clue the difference between Socialism or Communism and just assume China IS Communist because they say so.

Its not like I know much myself, not sure how electronics manufacturing would work in a true Communist society, kinda doubt its practical in a connected work to be honest - you need to be a little Capitalist to trade with Capitalist countries IMO, though we've kinda gone off topic.
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2022, 12:03:56 PM »

Don't forget Ericsson for 5G https://www.ericsson.com/en/5g/5g-networks
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Re: Alternatives to Huawei
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2022, 12:30:07 PM »

The real question is availability and price.
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