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[Alex Atkin UK]

They will offer a service less likely to suffer contention issues and also other services billed to the same account, which is useful to some people who might get confused having things billed from several different providers for different things.  eg Weaver using them for domain registration.  They also have a more robust 4G failover solution (eg on pfSense I've had 4G going down take out the whole connection more times than I've ever had DSL go down), however unlikely you are to need it.

Personally I'd rather keep things separate rather than put all my eggs in one basket, but not everyone is like that.

[GigabitEthernet]

I don't know anyone on FTTP who has contention issues.

How often does FTTP go down, really?

[DaveC]

[Weaver]

> Wha are AAISP possibly going to offer for FTTP that makes the cost worth it?

See my earlier post https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26696.msg447641.html#msg447641

[atkinsong]

I moved to FTTP with A&A last September. From the start, I experienced random PPP drops/reconnects maybe 2 or 3 times per week, each time the router re-connecting within 10 to 15 seconds. I was only aware of this due to the line down/line up emails from A&A.
After eliminating all I could locally (replacing ethernet cable between ONT & router, using my backup router, trying the A&A supplied DGA0122, replacing the ONT PSU) I had a chat with A&A about it. Within 3 days they had Openreach out. The OR engineer did a light test - all good, then rang the diagnostic centre to see if they could see anything. Diagnostic centre reported visibility of 11 "dying gasps" from the ONT over a couple of months.
Advised engineer to replace ONT which he did. That was 4 weeks ago and not one drop since.
I wonder how that situation would have been handled by BT/TalkTalk/Sky etc?

[j0hn]

[Bowdon]

I think the main advantage of AA is being able to talk to a proper tech person rather than some first line numpty at most ISP's.

If you have a complicated problem with your connection it'll be faster to fix on AA.

I'd imagine AA is a small ISP compared to others. But that gives it the ability to be familiar with their customers and lines a lot better than the more popular ISP's.

As said by others it just depends what you are going for, or if you have a problem with your connection i.e. how long are you prepared to wait to get it fixed.

[Alex Atkin UK]

The average user uses nowhere near 5TB a month.
If that limit is an issue for your usage then that's fine. AAISP likely don't want you as a customer if you use that much data. It can be very detrimental to others.

I'm far from an average user and still average around 2TB/month.  It didn't really change when I got 5G as like has been said before, you don't download more its just what used to take hours now takes minutes.

If anything I'd expect to upload more.

[gt94sss2]

I wonder how that situation would have been handled by BT/TalkTalk/Sky etc?

A recent experience with BT on FTTC - called them up. They remotely connected to the Home Hub, could see the line dropping and booked an OR engineer..

[Weaver]

[Reformed]

Weaver - the people complaining about unlimited would love one of my ISPs: they charge me based on 95th percentile. Not capped, literally metered.

[Weaver]

[jelv]

[Weaver]

[Reformed]

Outstanding this has been split. I can jump back in with a clear conscience.

A&A do not have their own access network, they don't even have a transport network, they have customers aggregated by others nationally and delivered to their core.

This means there are always options other than A&A. I stand by that FTTP reduces their niche but they still have one.

The limits seem a really strange thing to fixate over. They're rarely likely to be problematic and do roll over I believe.

They aren't for everyone. They aren't for most. Over FTTP they're for even fewer but I presume they'll be okay for a while yet. Their customers don't think they're expensive for what they provide, so they're good.