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Author Topic: Zen Latency  (Read 4275 times)

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Zen Latency
« on: January 25, 2022, 09:42:58 AM »

Anyone noticed a increase early AM in Zen latency. Both my lines got a forced PPP and have increased latency by about 10ms ?
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2022, 10:15:57 AM »

Can we clarify, latency to where? I would have thought that an increase in latency to Zen itself would be impossible, no? Is it latency to some further-off server?
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2022, 10:35:43 AM »

 Ping to BBC and TBB graphs
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2022, 10:37:56 AM »

You moved from terminating on London to terminating on Manchester most likely. Zen have LNS in both cities.

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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2022, 10:52:41 AM »

Thanks @reformed. I wasn’t aware that the the normal 8ms would jump to 20ms ! Both lines identical ( no resync). Still only a few weeks to my FTTP install with Cerebus so hopefully that will be better.
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2022, 11:00:18 AM »

If you're near London going to Manchester and back can certainly add that kind of latency. Reconnect the PPPoE session until you get a London LNS.

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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2022, 11:21:40 AM »

Have you done a tracert to see if you are connected to London or Manchester?
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2022, 11:37:35 AM »

No but I will and post back. Being pragmatic I doubt there’s anything I can do or ask to change it. My experience of Zen support over the last 6 months hasn’t been good.
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2022, 11:49:18 AM »

My back haul is TTB. Not sure big that’s relevant
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2022, 12:01:43 PM »

If you are connected to London, I've seen posts on the Thinkbroadband forums about significantly different latency on the London gateways (Lond2 vs. Lond1). If the tracert shows lond2, reconnecting to see if you can get lond1 might be beneficial.
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2022, 12:27:04 PM »

@jelv yes via lond2 on bothy lines. Will try ane pick up the alternate
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2022, 12:32:52 PM »

managed to get one line on lond1 and second on lond2 both give very similar results  ???
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2022, 12:37:58 PM »

Can we clarify, latency to where? I would have thought that an increase in latency to Zen itself would be impossible, no? Is it latency to some further-off server?

It's very possible.
If there's a break in a fibre somewhere then traffic will be routed around the break, increasing latency.

As mentioned by others, unlike most providers who terminate all their customers connections in London, Zen also have an LNS in Manchester.
Most UK based servers are in London so traffic having to go to Manchester then to London and back again adds a fair bit of latency, particularly for anyone in the South of England.

As jelv points out there can sometimes be a noticeable difference in latency between Zens 2 London gateways, with lon1 often (but not always) being lower latency than lon2.

Low Interleaving on VDSL2 also adds a minimum 8ms latency at the DSLAM. High Interleaving adds even more. The lack of a resync rules this out though.

A tracert may give the answer.

Edit: g3uiss replied while I was typing.
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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2022, 01:36:10 PM »

It would seem @j0hns comment about a break being the most likely. Both PPP restarted at the same moment.

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Re: Zen Latency
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2022, 02:19:02 PM »

Yep you're going around the houses on a 'protection' path to get from home to Zen.

This is going to be outside of Zen's control, TalkTalk will be aware of the problem.
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