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noddy

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Annex L
« on: November 21, 2021, 03:01:45 PM »

Hi setting up a different router and came across a setting for  " Annex L " I can't remember coming across that before , so should it be on ADSL2 longline ? cheers
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2021, 05:17:26 PM »

The Annexes are specific to what the telco/ISP uses so no, even if there is a long reach version of ADSL it wont work without support at the other end.
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2021, 05:28:15 PM »

The Annexes are specific to what the telco/ISP uses so no, even if there is a long reach version of ADSL it wont work without support at the other end.
Thanks for that :) still got some changes to make but don't want to upset the DLM
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2021, 05:47:20 PM »

You need Annex A in Britain if you’re using ADSL / ADSL2 / ADSL2+. And what Alex said.
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2021, 06:33:25 PM »

You need Annex A in Britain if you’re using ADSL / ADSL2 / ADSL2+. And what Alex said.

Cheers Weaver , it's a billion 7800dxl which I tried to set up before connecting but it seems that config didn't stick  :( as ADSL2 works better on my line  but it reverted to ADSL2+ when I connected it , I'll give it a night to settle before I alter it the morn .

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« Last Edit: November 22, 2021, 02:13:59 AM by burakkucat »
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2021, 09:14:37 PM »

Recap: I use ADSL2 (G.992.3) rather than ADSL2+ (G.992.5) as part of a Burrakucat Research Counsel-sponsored initiative. I’m an appropriate candidate for the programme because I have an extreme-length line with a slow downstream link, and that means there’s no chance for me of taking advantage of G.992.5’s higher-speed support, since my link can’t even manage full speed downstream using G.992.3, never mind exploiting G.992.5. Burakkucat’s suggestion, when I first got G.992.5 service back in 2015, was that G.992.3 might indeed give better performance than G.992.5.

So I configured all modems as ‘ADSL2’ (only), and disabled ‘ADSL2+’. A very worthwhile experiment, but it turned out that, even after a large number of careful like-for-like measurements sequences at various times, there was no measurable difference, not within the large experimental noise. (I have checked that the modems are indeed using G.992.3, btw.; they are. The modems are still set the same way now: ‘ADSL2’-only.)

So for me, the result was: if ‘ADSL2 only’ modem settings give any performance benefit (or the reverse!), I couldn’t prove it.

To justify enabling ADSL2+ for me would be bit-loading approaching the highest G.992.3-supported tones, ie approaching tone 255 or higher.

If you’re getting problems doing the same as me and Burakkucat, then I can’t understand why. But if your situation is at all comparable to ours, then you should be fine leaving your modem set to ADSL2+ or auto-select, unless it is somehow being weird about its own ADSL2+/ADSL2 config settings values.

If you can use ADSL2/G.992.3 then I would say it is worth trying the ADSL2 modem setting as there’s definitely no harm in it and it might even be better as Burakkucat originally suspected.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2021, 03:20:40 AM by Weaver »
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2021, 06:35:29 AM »

Good info Weaver  :) changed it this morning max attainable went from 3700kbps to 4300 kbps and seems ( so far more stable  :fingers: ) but it's not ideal conditions to try it while it's windy , I'll keep an eye on it :)
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Re: Annex L
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2021, 03:23:11 AM »

The increase in stability is just because you retrained your modems so they’re now using bit-loading and SNRM that is more appropriate to the current noise spectrum and other line conditions. You’d have to do several retrains with and without ADSL2+ allowed to get a decent statistical result, which is why it was such a pain and took ages for me.
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