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Bowdon

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VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« on: July 29, 2021, 11:24:37 AM »

I'm kinda surprised by this. But it looks like VM have announced their intension to upgrade from DOCSIS 3.1 to FTTP instead of DOCSIS 4.

From reading the article I linked it looks more a move to attract ISP's to their planned wholesale idea.

Virgin Media O2 to Upgrade Existing UK Network with Full Fibre
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/07/virgin-media-o2-to-replace-existing-uk-network-with-full-fibre.html
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Re: VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 04:19:29 PM »

Possibly not.   CarlT is the man with the knowledge in this area...   but for future proofing its possibly best doing it now rather than later. 

DOCSIS still has some mileage in it, there's still things like the limited upstream and that the not so simple upgrade to DOCSIS4 so money better spent upgrading & future proofing to PON/GPON.  With broadband speeds rapidly increasing I think it's wise to look at the options to decide if HFC is nearing the point to call it a day and make the inevitable step to full fibre.   We've already eked about all that we can out of DSL... going back several years ago it looked like Openreach was going to push DSL a bit further with FTTdp and/or g.fast at the DP, but they scrapped those plans and now seem to be concentrating on FTTH.
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Re: VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 08:25:16 PM »

XGSPON, wholesale.

VM conducted trials in Manchester and elsewhere and, in a number of areas, costs of HFC upgrade came in the same ball park as FTTP. The new kit going out in the field can both provide extra HFC capacity and FTTP services.

Customers moving to FTTP has the bonus of relieving load on the HFC network, too.

So this saves capacity upgrades on the HFC and the more comprehensive upgrades needed to provide the upload speeds customers will expect in the not too distant.

Improves reliability as no RF noise ingress and makes a wholesale offering, imminent, much easier too.
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Re: VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2021, 11:12:34 PM »

Its really fascinating to look at this compared to say the US where many if not most areas are pretty much a monopoly and so have zero interest in offering wholesale services.

It just goes to show that Capitalism CAN work, if regulated properly.  I'm saying this as someone who DOES believe telecoms should have remained nationalised (if properly run and funded) but I think were at the second-best thing right now, so long as the government doesn't allow all these new wholesale providers to merge later on.

Basically you need a balance of Socialist and Capitalist ideas so that everyone is taken care off. (sadly this balance is not being maintained so well in other essential services)
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Re: VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2021, 02:20:28 AM »

Very interesting, so in Leicester maybe 2 FTTP networks now given VM has a massive presence here.
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Re: VM eventually changing to FTTP by 2028
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2021, 06:36:22 AM »

Indeed, both wholesaling. Openreach will make it three.
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