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Author Topic: The mystery of FTTP availability  (Read 3743 times)

tickmike

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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2021, 02:30:08 PM »

It took our rural village build about 1 year to build, test and go live (lit up).
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2021, 04:46:59 PM »

Sounds about average that, tickmike.

Of course, we tend to build from the Exchange out, following the various spines made up of existing or brand new fibres. Ergo, the closer PON's will be lit first and the furthest away ....
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2021, 09:44:16 AM »

I have no in-roads into the 'What we are building and where', but I do know the rural (final 20%) builds are of course being subsidised by the Government, so my humble guess would be ..... because of the money.  ;) :)

Sorry Chrys.  :(


Ok thanks Black Sheep. :)
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2021, 07:06:17 PM »

Fibres were being spliced at the main road yesterday. I wonder how long it will be before availability.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2021, 12:06:09 PM »

They installed a CBT in our chamber on the second of March and it was about the 10th or 11th before it showed up as available on the OR checker for ordering. I am now waiting on the install which is scheduled for mid April. It looks like there are a half a dozen others in my village who have orders pending as well.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2021, 06:08:14 PM »

Well, 5 months have passed and still no fibre availability. It's all there in the ground, but a fat lot of use at the moment.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2021, 06:48:36 PM »

Seen a post elsewhere today talking about how openreach were ignoring one side of the street because they were MDU properties.  If this is something they do widespread it may answer some questions why some areas are excluded.  Maybe if they have a high % of MDU?
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2021, 08:09:38 PM »

Seen a post elsewhere today talking about how openreach were ignoring one side of the street because they were MDU properties.  If this is something they do widespread it may answer some questions why some areas are excluded.  Maybe if they have a high % of MDU?

We don't 'ignore' anything .... we survey 100% of the area.

If it's MDU, historically we leave capacity at the nearest point of entry/internal riser and a specialised contractor is made aware and they pick up the thread with the landlord. Things are afoot as we speak, regarding this process .... i'll inform when I know if NDA allows.

There's a lot worse than MDU though ... water pumping stations/underground reservoirs in the middle of 'nowheresville' for just one example, they all have to be surveyed for civils/cabling requirements regardless of whether they will be built in this current 'Final 20%' funded build. Capacity will be left at the splitter and Head End to be picked up by future programmes if they don't cost in.

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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2021, 09:37:17 AM »

Yeah I was just posting what I read else where as someone noticed his side of the street was not even able to order FTTPoD, all the even numbered addresses, all the odd numbers could order it, the odd numbers were not MDU.

Do you think openreach will eventually be able to deploy to MDU without landlord permission, the same as is now for cable and dsl services?
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2021, 11:17:06 AM »

FTTPoD is a very different beast to FTTP.

Every single property that is connected to an FTTC cabinet should show FTTPoD on the BT Wholesale checker.
MDU's are completely excluded from ordering FTTPoD though and always have been.

MDU's aren't excluded from ordering FTTP. It just adds complications to the mix.

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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2021, 12:33:11 AM »

Update - on Friday Openreach posted a letter through the door letting us know that Ultrafast Fibre is finally available, and directing us to a website listing all the possible providers. However, none of those providers believes my home can be connected, even the BT postcode checker only lists FTTC. I called BT and they could not sign me up :(

The Openreach postcode checker does list Ultrafast up to 1Gb as being available for my home though. And now that another day has rolled over I have checked again (in case the data takes a while to percolate through the various systems) but the situation is unfortunately still the same.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2021, 12:52:45 AM »

I expect there might be lag for them to notice the updated records, I remember that been a problem for me when I first ordered FTTC.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2021, 10:52:36 AM »

I have recently moved into a new build property that has Openreach FTTP installed. I was attempting to order through a number of providers, some were apparently able to serve me whilst others were not. I contacted a number of the ISPs not able to serve me and they informed me that Openreach had yet to issue a UPRN for the address, so as a point of reference for new build properties this can also be an issue. The other ISPs who were able to offer me a service apparently did so using an alternative identifier and after selecting IDNet from amongst them I have had no issues with the delivery of service. It does appear that many CPs take their sweet time in updating their databases for availability even after Openreach have published the availability data!
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2021, 11:43:14 AM »

Many CP's simply don't offer FTTP in many areas, and rather than telling the customer they don't know why they aren't available they make up absolute nonsense.

As is the case more than once in this thread.

OpenReach do no issue UPRN's.
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Re: The mystery of FTTP availability
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2021, 01:10:14 PM »

I have recently moved into a new build property that has Openreach FTTP installed. I was attempting to order through a number of providers, some were apparently able to serve me whilst others were not. I contacted a number of the ISPs not able to serve me and they informed me that Openreach had yet to issue a UPRN for the address, so as a point of reference for new build properties this can also be an issue. The other ISPs who were able to offer me a service apparently did so using an alternative identifier and after selecting IDNet from amongst them I have had no issues with the delivery of service. It does appear that many CPs take their sweet time in updating their databases for availability even after Openreach have published the availability data!

As j0hn states, UPRN's are the domain of the local authorities, not OR.

We issue NAD keys (unique to each premises) - these are 'address matched' with the Post Office's data-base (well, they were up until literally a week or two ago, I think we're moving away from it now ??) ... if our info matches theirs, we assign a 'Gold key'.

If there's a disparity or a lack of info, we assign bronze or silver NAD keys as a temporary measure. I would imagine 'New builds' to be particularly susceptible to the latter two colours, especially if the Council address list has not been updated ??.

Not saying this is purely relevant to you, just giving an overview of where issues can lie.
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