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[chenks]

and then we have the totally absurd Channel 4 program currently being advertised saying "Is Covid Racist".
what moron came up with that tag line, and what moron approved it.

[renluop]

Wife and I are 84, so under the rules cannot have someone in to do little (not so to us) tasks like putting out refuse, or changing bulbs. Were one us gone, a bubble with a person of  another household.  It makes sense in general, but for the elderly extremely difficult.

As to the lockdown to 2 Dec and vaccines on the horizon, we do not think allowing relaxation of rules at christmas worthwhile. Though perhaps it's that as a junior many lost more than christmas

[chenks]

any xmas relaxation is crazy.
how many will enjoy the xmas two weeks, and in january will be burying some of those people they socialised with.

[Bowdon]

I'm exempt from wearing a mask because of my long term lung condition, co2 retention (I don't breath out enough co2 without a mask, any mask would make it worse). Though like chenks I'm a hermit already. The only place I've been in the last few years is hospital appointments. I went to one a few weeks ago when they called me in to check my breathing machine. I had to have a covid test, I was negative. Then 2 days after they let me in. Everyone I saw was wearing full ppe, and keeping 2 metres away.

I understand the situation with people being exempt from wearing a mask yet still going out in public. I think the problem is there is no confidence in the system. There is no official exemption document issued by any authority. We also know there are many people swinging the led, not wearing a mask when they should be wearing one, then claiming to be exempt. Apparently the rules say the police officer can't even ask questions about your medical history or ask if you have any kind of medical exemption proof. We've already seen confrontations on video sites of the result of this confused situation.

I'm reluctant to take the vaccine as my body isn't good with 'live vaccines'. Though the vaccine that came out using a different method seems interesting, were it triggers a response from the body using artificial means i.e. no virus dead or alive present. Though I guess its pot luck which vaccine we get, that one or the other more regular one from the other company.

One of the newspapers had a chart of who is getting it first. 1 being the highest, care home residents and staff, going down to group 10 which is all the young people. I think I'm in group 6. If this chart is real then millions will have had the vaccine before it's my turn. So if they aren't all dead or suffering side effects I might consider it 

[chenks]

does anyone else think we might be jumping into the vaccination rollout a little too quickly?
have any other countries followed suit and approved a vaccination for public rollout and as quickly as next week?

we've also chosen the one that requires specific temperature storage (-70 degrees i think), which meany you won't be able to take the vaccination to people, they will need to go to it.
care homes will find this a difficult process.

[broadstairs]

My wife and I think like many that relaxation at Christmas is crazy, we live in Kent so Tier 3 applies. We've not been able to hug our grandchildren since last March and now we cannot even have the family in our garden outside now, very frustrating but better safe than sorry.

As for the vaccine we will be having it as soon as allowed. I am not worried the MHRA have been quick to release the Pfizer one as I understand they have been working with Pfizer and indeed the Oxford/AstraZeneca people for some time in the lead up to this. We both have the flu jab every year. We are both 73 so not quite at the top of the list but not too far down. I hope the Oxford one gets approval soon as it is so much easier to transport and store, plus we have more doses on order.

Got really mad the other day when Piers Morgan trapped Matt Hancock into saying he would have the vaccine live on TV with Matt, what a publicity stunt and something which should not happen. I was pleased to hear Matt Hancock say in Parliament that he would have the jab as soon as it was his turn which hopefully put paid to Piers' stunt.

Stuart

[sevenlayermuddle]

I try not to get involved in the Vaccine debate, but one thing is worth clearing up...

The UK was ahead of other countries in approving it because we had been preemptively analysing the data from all vaccines on a rolling basis, rather than wait til the trial results before starting to analyse.

I’m not sure why USA did not do the same, but guessing presidential stupidity may have been a factor.

EU also did rolling reviews but seem to be less agile, and its unlikely individual member states would want to jump the starting gun until unity is reached in Brussels.

.. such is my understanding.

I personally will be sprinting out to join the queue as soon as my turn comes around.

[roseway]

I personally will be sprinting out to join the queue as soon as my turn comes around.

You and me both.

[burakkucat]

You and me both.

And the grumpy, old, black cat.

[tickmike]

I personally will be sprinting out to join the queue as soon as my turn comes around.

At 71 I will also be going to get it, although my wife even at some years younger will probably get it before me as she works in a Care Home. 
Had my first ever flue jab a few weeks ago.
 

[Weaver]

District nurse came to give me a flu jab, made me feel quite ill for the next day or so, but I would still recommend it as the alternative is not good at all, especially right now.

My wife is diabetic, has something wrong with her liver and has arthritis and umpteen other things wrong too. Despite this she still looks after me, bless her cotton socks. I have ME, neuropathic pain and something wrong with my spinal cord too. I’m hoping she gets a COVID-19 jab asap.