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COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« on: October 12, 2020, 11:44:01 PM »

My wife has shut down her accommodation business again. This means turning away regular visitors who come for a week-long stay every year at this time, which is a big disappointment to them and something that Janet regrets. She doesnít feel that itís safe to be attracting people from the south from areas where the COVID-19 outbreak may be serious again now.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2020, 11:54:01 PM »

A wise decision, I agree.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2020, 04:37:37 AM »

Amazingly, Janet tells me, that there are now COVID cases in the Western Isles, in Uibhist a Deas and in particular in the tiny island of …irisgeigh which I once visited when I took the short ferry to Eilean Bharraigh.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2020, 07:47:02 AM »

i know this sounds harsh, and isn't directed at your business personally, but public health trumps peoples businesses.
all these pubs complaining that they might not survive, well tough luck. restricting the spread of the virus is more imporant than anyones business.

the quicker people understand that this virus will never go away and that it is essentially now endemic the quicker we'll start to deal with it properly.
until there is a vaccine which means we can live with it like we do with influenza then we can't go about "normal" life. and at the moment it looks like late next year until we are at the vaccine stage.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2020, 08:53:05 AM »

From what I've heard and read a vaccine should be available late this year or early next year, although available doesn't mean widely available. People's businesses going under will have an affect on peoples health, both the owners and their employees could suffer due to stress and depression. There's also a knock on affect with suppliers as well.

The far south has pretty low infection rates, although they are increasing, for example Thanet is 21 per 100,000, the extreme North is also low with Highlands at 16. It seems to be the middle of the country which is worse affected, but most areas seem to be increasing.

Trouble is so many people are flouting the rules, and all the time that's happening we aren't going to keep the virus in check.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2020, 08:56:14 AM by Ronski »
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2020, 09:34:41 AM »

seems too many people can't live without going to the pub. maybe we should let natural selection take care of that problem :)
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2020, 02:11:17 PM »

I think the main problem in all this is not enough people adhering to the social distancing/masks guidelines.

I don't like to blame young people but the amount of people rejecting these rules seem to be the largest in that age group. So when they are all physically together they are passing it on to each other.

I think society needs to ask how as this young generation got so little respect for others?

I remember when I was a lad drinking and going to the nightclubs and bars, if a situation like this would have happened I would have been extremely careful if I did go out, but also I'd be more reluctant to go out.

I guess the compromise would be that if drinking and socialising is so necessary then buy the alcohol from the shops and have a group of 6 in someones home or garden.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2020, 04:48:35 PM »

I think the main problem in all this is not enough people adhering to the social distancing/masks guidelines.

I don't like to blame young people but the amount of people rejecting these rules seem to be the largest in that age group. So when they are all physically together they are passing it on to each other.

I think blaming young people is a bit of a cop out. It doesn't match my observations either.

I have a 13 year old son in High School education.
They MUST wear masks in the corridors of the school, that's it.
They aren't required in the classroom, or outside the school building. Children don't need to wear them on public transport or in shops.

Every time I've collected him from school almost every child is wearing a mask. The vast majority voluntarily wear them in the classroom too.
Most teenagers i see in shops are wearing masks.

I wish i could say the same for adults in the local co-op or even Tesco.

It's not children but adults who arrange and attend anti mask and anti lockdown protests.

My observation is loads of adults not wearing masks (they may be exempt, I'm not judging that) and the majority of children going above and beyond what's being asked of them.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2020, 04:51:48 PM by j0hn »
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2020, 10:49:10 PM »

I agree with J0hn. It seems all age groups are unwilling to follow the rules, let alone the guidance. My observations are middle aged adults always have an excuse not to, and quit often abrasive.

I have my daughter at St Andrews in her 4th year. She complains the freshers are not talking it seriously but the university got on top of that and imposed its own lockdown. Since then I understand behaviour has been much better.

Itís sad like so many things the efforts of the majority are spoiled by the few.

Sorry to hear @weavers business difficulties, it will lead to bad mental health for many.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2020, 11:39:07 AM »

When I said young people I was referring to the age group that can go to bars and nightclubs, not school aged kids.

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but if we put aside the debate about whether a lockdown works or not, why are the lockdowns so geographically small? It's as though the government thinks it's the 1950's were if they lock down a city everyones home and work are in the same place. Most people are travelling in and out of these small lockdowns so they are a waste of time.

I don't think a national lockdown is the answer, but if we're going to have a lockdown it should be done to the size of the EU UK regions imho. So each regain, for example the North West, goes in to lockdown for 3 weeks, on the 2nd week another region goes in to lockdown for 3 weeks, so we have a regional rolling lockdown.

What are other peoples thoughts on the lockdown?
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2020, 12:18:51 PM »

I do feel that there is a problem with the student population at the moment. I am aware of the situation in Nottingham University at the moment because someone we know has a daughter there. The Uni has 1500 students with the virus and the vast majority caught it on return because they all went out to pubs, bars and clubs in groups larger than 6 and no social distancing and no obvious mask wearing (at least from photos I've seen on social media). I have also heard that 'Track & Trace' has been a total failure in the Uni from someone who has had the virus and none of their contacts have been contacted!

As the vast amount of lectures are online even for those in Nottingham Uni right now why on earth did they allow them back to halls. They could all have studied at home online as they are doing that for a huge percentage of their time right now anyway.

There should be much more awareness in the media of those poor folks of all ages who are in a life changing/threatening situation in hospital right now, might just persuade some of those currently not complying  with the guidelines to take it seriously.

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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 03:59:35 PM »

I don't understand how they put everyone at risk by making masks not mandatory, to avoid being prejudice against people with hidden disabilities.  This merely restricts that prejudice to those of us who are now too afraid to go out BECAUSE people aren't wearing masks.  Out of sight, out of mind I guess, we don't matter.

IMO If you can't wear a mask during a pandemic, you have no business being out, you're putting yourself and others at risk.  I realise there is a problem with children and people with severe Autism, but those are exactly the ones likely to touch everything too so shouldn't the advice be to not take them into the shops if at all avoidable anyway?  Rather than making an exception for those at risk of being silent spreaders.

My mask played havoc with my asthma the first time I wore it, but COVID would be far far worse so it would be insanely stupid to not wear it.

Even a lot of people wearing them don't seem to know how to take them off and put them on properly, and do so far more often than necessary.  I've been to the GP and back and the hospital and back, both occasions I wore my mask from leaving the house to coming back, no reason to take it off at any point.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2020, 07:03:00 PM »

All through the summer, Janet chose to run at 50% occupancy, even though she could easily have sold out. This was done in order to allow enough time for vicious cleaning with purpose-designed UV-C lamps that are turned on after people have left and are left on all day. This has worked out very well, with no visitors moving straight into accommodation that has been vacated by people just leaving. Janet has been quite poorly over the summer, been put on some special sort of iron tablets, but she gets breathless easily, so cutting down her workload has been a good thing and a rest will certainly help her.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2020, 03:18:39 PM »

so what do we think about the vaccinations that appear to be close to public roll-out (94-95% effective).
i know they will be prioritising certain groups first, and as i'm not in those groups i'm perfectly fine that, but probably not the reasons most would think.

personally i'm not too sure i would want to be in the first groups of peopple to get it. i know it's been tested (or will have been by the time it's being used), but who knows what the medium to long term affects might be.

i'm happy to continue to be a hermit for the foreesable.
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Re: COVID-19 second phase shutdown
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2020, 04:09:44 PM »

I'm 75 and I'll be getting vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. Of course it's possible that there may be some future side effects, but experience tells us that vaccine side effects are normally discovered in the first few months. It's a balance of risk, and the risk of a bad outcome from catching the virus is far greater than the risk of some as yet unknown side effect. We really need the herd immunity that will derive from widespread vaccination.
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