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Author Topic: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services  (Read 1889 times)

Alex Atkin UK

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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2020, 02:54:17 PM »

I'm what way isn't it 1Gbit?

OFCOM rules on advertising means they can't say it's 1Gb but it absolutely is.

I guess it depends if you are referring to throughput or link rate.

What link rate are they actually provisioning, 1.24Gbit?
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2020, 03:19:10 PM »

It's 1000Mb/s.

I don't recall the same complaints when FTTC launched that 80Mb sync isn't actually 80Mb.

Talktalk/Sky for example don't use PPPoE but use IPoE/DHCP instead.

The underlying connection is 1Gig.
Overheads and throughput are dependant on the ISP and how they configure the broadband.

To me anyway, it's a 1Gbit connection.
Taking overheads/throughput in to account can massively over complicate things.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2020, 03:54:58 PM »

I have a feeling other smaller ISP's which offer things like static IPv4 addresses will be out of luck with remotely competing against those prices if they also use BT Wholesale. Waiting on Cerberus's pricing at the moment.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2020, 04:54:50 PM »

It's 1000Mb/s.

I don't recall the same complaints when FTTC launched that 80Mb sync isn't actually 80Mb.

Considering Ofcom are forcing ISPs to give out "average" speeds now, clearly people DID complain.  Few people know what speed they are actually synced at, what matters is what throughput you are getting.

Taking overheads/throughput in to account can massively over complicate things.

Its how Virgin have always advertised their services, so making it more consistent across different technologies is a good thing IMO.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2020, 05:08:11 PM »

I'm what way isn't it 1Gbit?

Because its download is 910Mbps. On a connection of 1Gbps its usually higher Mbps than 910. It's probably provisioned at 950Mbps and with overheads it drops down to 910Mbps.

Unless they are using some average advertising speed formula it seems less than we'd expect minus overheads for a 1Gib connection.

Looking back at the advertised speeds its being sold as Full Fibre 900, so its probably aiming for 900Mbps.

Btw I'm not saying the connection is bad. But its not a 1gig connection, and it doesn't seem to be advertising itself as such.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2020, 05:24:04 PM »

Because its download is 910Mbps. On a connection of 1Gbps its usually higher Mbps than 910. It's probably provisioned at 950Mbps and with overheads it drops down to 910Mbps.

Unless they are using some average advertising speed formula it seems less than we'd expect minus overheads for a 1Gib connection.

Looking back at the advertised speeds its being sold as Full Fibre 900, so its probably aiming for 900Mbps.

Btw I'm not saying the connection is bad. But its not a 1gig connection, and it doesn't seem to be advertising itself as such.

It's provisioned at 1000Mbps, not 950Mbps or 900Mbps.

OFCOM rules prevent them advertising it as a gigabit connection.
It certainly is though.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2020, 01:50:18 AM »

A reminder there are PPPoE overheads here, and the 910 is more than, say, Hyperoptic advertise despite no PPPoE overheads.

This product is capped at 1000 Mbit. Once the Ethernet overheads are removed that leaves 940-960 Mbit, then the PPP on top leaves, give or take, 930 Mbit.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2020, 12:21:40 PM »

Why do ISPs still use PPP anyway?  It seems extremely wasteful adding unnecessary overheads both to the network and customers router hardware.

PPP is a dreadful CPU hog on routers.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2020, 01:43:18 PM »

Only viable way for BT Wholesale to do it. I know they wanted to be rid of it for NGA but guess they couldn't get a viable solution.

PPP can easily be accelerated in hardware. The BRAS handle enormous amounts of it thanks to ASICs.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2020, 01:45:48 PM »

Looking back at the advertised speeds its being sold as Full Fibre 900, so its probably aiming for 900Mbps.

Btw I'm not saying the connection is bad. But its not a 1gig connection, and it doesn't seem to be advertising itself as such.

More about your speeds

Maximum download speed: 930Mbps   
Maximum upload speed: 110Mbps   
Minimum upload speed: 10Mbps
On average, customers on the same broadband package get a download speed of: 910Mbps
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2020, 01:51:13 PM »

More about your speeds

Maximum download speed: 930Mbps   
Maximum upload speed: 110Mbps   
Minimum upload speed: 10Mbps
On average, customers on the same broadband package get a download speed of: 910Mbps

That minimum upload speed is terrible, it really should be ~50% like the guaranteed download is.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2020, 12:51:10 AM »

Using wireless and not going to log on elsewhere but the change has been done.

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/5871766034
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2020, 01:30:38 AM »

That sweet upload.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2020, 12:28:17 PM »

Using a sub-optimal router, not on the Ubiquiti at the moment, so suspect that's a bottleneck. However:

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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2020, 01:46:30 PM »

Using a sub-optimal router, not on the Ubiquiti at the moment, so suspect that's a bottleneck. However:



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