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Author Topic: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services  (Read 1879 times)

CarlT

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BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« on: March 04, 2020, 12:39:22 PM »

Available and extortionate.

People who think Virgin Media's Gig1 or even Gigaclear's gigabit product, at a mere £79 a month, are expensive are going to love the prices retail products based on this will be coming in at.

The 140% markup on the Openreach pricing is a nice touch.

Time for BT Consumer to purchase from TalkTalk Business?  :lol:
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 07:47:16 PM »

I remember Greg Mesch of Cityfibre saying years ago that BT/OR will struggle to compete in the fibre market because of their copper network. They have to set a price point above a certain level or they would undercut their copper based products. It looks like its turned out to be true.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 08:14:56 PM »

Time for BT Consumer to purchase from TalkTalk Business?  :lol:

Wake me up when TTB offer more than 110 Mb for FTTP:

https://www.xln.co.uk/bizhub/business-services/fttp-trial-talktalk

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This breakthrough internet service can currently deliver speeds of up to 110Mb/s - but in the future, that could climb to a whopping 300Mb/s.

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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 09:14:42 PM »

That is rather alarming, I expected ISP prices to be around this amount including VAT.  :'(
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 11:13:54 PM »

As the ISPReview article states, I guess this gives them scope to measure/control initial demand and cut prices in future
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 12:23:25 AM »

As the ISPReview article states, I guess this gives them scope to measure/control initial demand and cut prices in future

True, we know their network can't handle an influx initially due to only using GPON.  As usual we pay the early adopter tax so they can upgrade the network on our dime.  Still, better than FTTPoD.

It does seem hard to understand how they are going to sell this in areas with competitive services though.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 06:05:49 AM »

Available and extortionate.

People who think Virgin Media's Gig1 or even Gigaclear's gigabit product, at a mere £79 a month, are expensive are going to love the prices retail products based on this will be coming in at.

The 140% markup on the Openreach pricing is a nice touch.

Time for BT Consumer to purchase from TalkTalk Business?  :lol:

Dont think it was ever not going to be marked up, BT will always be wary of consumer type products interfering with their most lucrative business products.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2020, 10:16:17 AM »

Wake me up when TTB offer more than 110 Mb for FTTP:

https://www.xln.co.uk/bizhub/business-services/fttp-trial-talktalk

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Enjoy the nap for the next 3 weeks or so :)
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2020, 10:19:56 AM »

I would understand if BT Wholesale didn't charge per Mbps/month on top and if this were taking in traffic from 5,000 remote exchanges but they do and it isn't. Openreach have reduced the endpoint count by 4/5ths so the capacity should be relatively cheap from the headends. Ending up with GEA customers subsidising ADSL customers due to paying the same for bandwidth wherever and the big markups for rental.

It's astonishing pricing. Some ISPs are pretty unhappy. At least one is perfectly content with it and agrees. Obviously the BT businesses using Wholesale are silent, publicly anyway.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2020, 08:09:27 PM »

is their mbps pricing still wildly different from the industry standard as well?
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2020, 10:59:03 AM »

I recently asked Cerberus Networks if they were planning to sell the new FTTP packages, they told me that they are but as yet don't have 'commercials' from BT Wholesale but are expecting them imminently. I'm nearing the end of my minimum FTTPoD 1 year term with them so I'm waiting on final pricing before I consider which native FTTP package to regrade to. Apparently I can't just regrade to 330/50 (Cerberus FTTP Pro) and then, during the minimum term of that contract, then upgrade to say... 550/75... without fully paying off the remainder of the original contract (being FTTP Pro 330/50 in this particular scenario). So I'm better off staying on FTTPoD for another month or two while I wait for the new packages to be listed before I decide.

is their mbps pricing still wildly different from the industry standard as well?

I heard it's around £40 per month, per megabit. Not 100% sure though. If that's true then it's eye wateringly expensive for ISP's who use BT Wholesale.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2020, 11:02:43 AM by Ixel »
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8697-bt-full-fibre-910-mbps-launches-for-59-99-a-month

So BT Retail prices are;

Full Fibre 500 is 500Mbps down 73Mbps up is 49.99 a month plus 9.99 setup fee. It has a standard price of 57.99 per month and a guarantee speed of 250Mbps
Full Fibre 900 is 910Mbps down 110Mbps up for 59.99 a month plus 9.99 setup fee. The standard price is 67.99 per month with a guarantee speed of 455Mbps.

Well I'm paying more for my FTTC connection than I would for Full Fibre 500.

When FF reaches me I'd definately get the 500 one, and maybe the 900 in the future.

I hope the FF 900 one isn't advertised as 1Gbit as its not.
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2020, 02:12:30 PM »

I hope the FF 900 one isn't advertised as 1Gbit as its not.

I'm what way isn't it 1Gbit?

OFCOM rules on advertising means they can't say it's 1Gb but it absolutely is.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 02:44:59 PM by j0hn »
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Re: BT Wholesale pricing for new 550 Mb and 1 Gbit FTTP services
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2020, 02:42:42 PM »

Not bad pricing, might be tempted when it finally gets here (if my VM connections still playing about), hopefully some of the other big ISP's will be selling it then to, would be nice if it had a static or sticky IP address.
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