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Author Topic: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP  (Read 2817 times)

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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2020, 12:01:02 AM »

Hmm . . . IPv6 addressing gives me a head-ache.

Can you identify the device which has the fe80::b81a:642b:15cb:905b address (the source) and what has the ff02::c address (the destination)? They are involved in the Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP).

Perhaps try turning off UPnP on the VMG8924-B10A and see if the "upload" process disappears?
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2020, 12:20:28 AM »

Hmm . . . IPv6 addressing gives me a head-ache.

Can you identify the device which has the fe80::b81a:642b:15cb:905b address (the source) and what has the ff02::c address (the destination)? They are involved in the Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP).

Perhaps try turning off UPnP on the VMG8924-B10A and see if the "upload" process disappears?

fe80::b81a:642b:15cb:905b is the Realtek Gaming Gbe LAN controller on my main PC which IPV4 is 192.168.1.119. I cannot fathom the destination unless it is the VMG8924.

I have disabled Upnp on the 8924 and rebooted the device but traffic remains.

It's not a problem just does my OCD in seeing it every 5 mins on the meter.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2020, 01:00:24 AM »

I have disabled Upnp on the 8924 and rebooted the device but traffic remains.

It's not a problem just does my OCD in seeing it every 5 mins on the meter.

It would also irritate me, considerably.

Reading the Wikipedia SSDP page, I see that ff02::c is the IPv6 link-local address.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2020, 01:11:40 AM »

According to Windows resource monitor "svchost (localserviceandNoImpersonation)" is sending data around the same time as the spike in netmeter window. Must google this service.

According to google this is invoked by Windows App Locker, which according to the Wiki should not be present on my Windows 10 Pro only enterprise. Even more puzzled.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2020, 01:57:32 AM »

Applocker is a bit of a red herring I think. If I disable SSDP service on windows services which also disables Upnp host service the spike of upload data goes away. But this means Upnp devices will no longer function, which I am not sure what Upnp devices or software I have.

Even tried disabling Upnp on the Asus router in WAN section but no difference. Also tried an In-place upgrade of windows 10 pro but that had no effect.

Have left feedback for MS and some nice pictures in the feedback hub.

As far as I can tell My PC is uploading SSDP data to my Laptop and other PC over wifi at the same time they are downloading.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2020, 10:25:40 AM »

Which is understandable, SSDP is used to auto detect devices on the LAN.  Routers, Printers, TVs, etc.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2020, 02:09:40 AM »

With it being an ebay router I am just a bit paranoid about security and it seemed a lot of traffic (relatively) but appears to be just on the LAN and not external.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2020, 06:42:49 AM »

Yes as Burakkucat says, ff02::c is the standard multicast address for SSDP. And fe80::whatever is your own machine’s link local IPv6 address

In the past, there has been no difference between "Pro" and "Enterprise" versions of Windows NT family o/S; it’s just been the method of sale and distribution - you could only get the latter with a (volume) license agreement, even thought the volume could in fact be pretty small iiirc but memory fades concerning all things Microsoft. Perhaps someone could look that up though.

Thinks like app locker are so useful that you would think you would want it on Pro too, as it is the uncrippled, uncastrated, secure version of Windows ie version != Home  ;) >:D
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2020, 03:18:34 PM »

With it being an ebay router I am just a bit paranoid about security and it seemed a lot of traffic (relatively) but appears to be just on the LAN and not external.

Your final test should be to revert the configuration of the VMG8924-B10A back to as it was when you made the original post on this topic and then turn off the wirelesses of the other PC and the laptop.

Why? Because I remembered --

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Connected to the VMG8924 wirelessly are another PC and a Laptop.

I suspect the "upload spikes", as seen by the "Netmeter" of your main PC, would then stop.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2020, 09:03:44 PM »

Your final test should be to revert the configuration of the VMG8924-B10A back to as it was when you made the original post on this topic and then turn off the wirelesses of the other PC and the laptop.

Why? Because I remembered --

I suspect the "upload spikes", as seen by the "Netmeter" of your main PC, would then stop.

This is indeed correct when I turn off 5ghz on the VMG8924-B10A the upload stops.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2020, 09:45:10 PM »

We got there, eventually.  :thumbs:
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2020, 01:06:12 AM »

Just to update this thread, I sent the VMG-8924-B10A back to the seller and hopefully get a refund. Performance just wasn't there.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2020, 04:19:09 AM »

If I hadn't got the nanoHD I'd honestly be looking at https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/27543-zyxel-nwa1123-acv2-eu0101f/ or https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/35018-zyxel-nwa1123acpro-gb0101f/.

I'm a little disappointed they don't support 160Mhz channel widths though, but it seems almost impossible to get much performance gain out of that compared to 80Mhz.  Unless you're trying to push Gigabit, its probably overkill.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2020, 07:09:50 AM »

How's the nanoHD perform. I have heard good things about Ubiqitui.
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Re: Zyxel VMG8924-B10A as a WAP
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2020, 08:54:42 PM »

It performs well at 80Mhz channel width (my phone can reach up to 700Mbit) but disappointing at 160Mhz.  I'm not sure if its a client issue though, as its odd that my laptops need 160Mhz channel width to reach the same speed as my phone, despite all three supporting 2x2 MU-MIMO and the laptops have the very latest Intel AX200 WiFi cards.

One particular improvement though, connecting to the network is almost instant, it always took a about 10-20 seconds before.  But since updating the firmware I have noticed a few times my phone required WiFi turning on and off as traffic had stopped flowing, hard to know if its the phone or the nanoHD at fault there.

I have seen reports that Ubiquiti are overrated, their build quality is very cheap and it takes them years to stabalise their firmware, I can kinda corroborate the latter as I've seen their forums and they were the same with my Litebeam units I use to join another network across the road, although they HAVE been very stable considering only one side is mounted outdoors so I'm using them out-of-spec.

Looking at the forums though, if I had bough the nanoHD when it first came out, DFS didn't work and it didn't support 160Mhz channel widths at all.  Even now, I couldn't enable 160Mhz from the standalone options, it only appeared when I connected it to a Unifi Controller, which is a huge oversight IMO.  But right now? So far all looks good.

Also from what I have read, MU-MIMO is almost completely useless in the real world.  I've only seen the top-end Zyxel claiming to do proper beamforming where it actually is able to redirect the signal to the client, everything else has fixed antenna patterns.  On the nanoHD with a laptop each side of it, I saw no performance difference on concurrent transfers compared to having them both on the same side.  The speed of both clients was exactly the same combined as a single client on its own maxing out.

I'm really looking forward to WiFi 6E, a nice clean 6Ghz frequency band with less range, is actually exactly what I will need once FTTP is available.

The thing is, I sometimes copy games between my desktop and laptop to save download time, so not having to plug it in via a cable for maximum speed would be extremely useful.
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