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Author Topic: Huawei approved limited access to UK  (Read 1396 times)

Bowdon

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Huawei approved limited access to UK
« on: January 28, 2020, 04:51:38 PM »

I can understand the caution about Huawei because of its country of origin.

Mixed vendors have always been a commercial decision, at least with Openreach. I'm not sure about the other companies.

I do find some of the language by some of the news media abit hysterical. I think it comes from a lack of understanding of the 5G technology, and how much Huawei is embedded already in both 4G and FTTC.

I think Boris has probably made the best choice he could. Now its up to the Americans if they are going to accept it.

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After a protracted period of uncertainty the UK Government has today confirmed that kit from Chinese technology giant Huawei and other “high risk vendors” will be banned from the “sensitive” core of future UK 5G and “gigabit-capable” fixed broadband ISP networks, although non-core 5G kit (antennas, street cabinets etc.) will be exempt.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/01/huawei-you-go-uk-green-lights-firm-for-non-core-telecoms-kit.html
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8653-huawei-kit-decision-arrivied-at-for-uk-5g-network-operators
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51283059
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2020, 08:32:19 PM »

If I understood correctly, there were even suggestions that all existing Huwaei equipment would need removing.  :o

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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2020, 10:39:22 PM »

They're not having my phone :P
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2020, 01:30:35 AM »

Its such a deep lack of understanding of networking, if they think Huawei has been calling home and nobody would notice this rogue traffic on the core network.

Ironically equipment most likely to be able to get away with that, are the ones they are allowing.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2020, 06:10:01 AM »

And a lot of traffic will be encrypted.

One thing they said on the news last night is China could theoretically hit an off switch and shut down large chunks of our network, this I suppose is feasible.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2020, 07:46:54 AM »

And a lot of traffic will be encrypted.

One thing they said on the news last night is China could theoretically hit an off switch and shut down large chunks of our network, this I suppose is feasible.

I think that could possibly be true of any vendor.

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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2020, 04:13:45 PM »

This is presumably why there is movements towards more open software managed platforms with a mix of vendors.  So if one vendor tries anything, the management layer will just failover to the other vendors kit.  It might cause contention/routing issues, but it wont completely take out the network.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2020, 05:34:37 PM »

I think that could possibly be true of any vendor.



Indeed, American Vendors could do the same.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2020, 07:02:56 PM »

Indeed, American Vendors could do the same.

That aspect becomes a question of ‘who do you trust’

Places I have lived, once I get to know the neighbours, I’m likely to give one or two of them a door key, for use in emergencies.   They could misuse  it, that’s a risk. 

But it doesn’t follow that I should stand outside the local magistrates court, handing my door keys to every petty criminal on their way through the door.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2020, 07:14:18 PM »

I can only express my utter indifference at the whole affair.

Via a MacBook Pro assembled in China, connecting via the hotel's WiFi - a Huawei router going to a Huawei DSLAM connecting to a Huawei OLT.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2020, 08:48:45 PM »

That aspect becomes a question of ‘who do you trust’

Places I have lived, once I get to know the neighbours, I’m likely to give one or two of them a door key, for use in emergencies.   They could misuse  it, that’s a risk. 

But it doesn’t follow that I should stand outside the local magistrates court, handing my door keys to every petty criminal on their way through the door.

One no more than the other, America is currently the most aggressive country in the world in its military activities and can be quite indifferent if you don't abide to their political desires.

There has been no proof of significance against Huawei, simply America's word that they are bad.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2020, 09:33:43 PM »

One no more than the other, America is currently the most aggressive country in the world in its military activities and can be quite indifferent if you don't abide to their political desires.

There has been no proof of significance against Huawei, simply America's word that they are bad.

It seems to me its the US assuming everybody else is doing what THEY are trying to do.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2020, 09:49:06 AM »

That aspect becomes a question of ‘who do you trust’

Places I have lived, once I get to know the neighbours, I’m likely to give one or two of them a door key, for use in emergencies.   They could misuse  it, that’s a risk. 

But it doesn’t follow that I should stand outside the local magistrates court, handing my door keys to every petty criminal on their way through the door.

Honestly? You should trust nobody.
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Re: Huawei approved limited access to UK
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2020, 10:19:57 AM »

Honestly? You should trust nobody.

He didn't say he trusted his neighbours, but was willing to take the risk.

We leave a key with a neighbour when away, and members of our extended family (brothers/mum) also have keys.

Only problem we've had is when neighbours didn't have access or contact numbers and the house was broken into whilst we were away, hence why we now leave a key with one and also give them contact numbers.
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