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Author Topic: ISP Review Article: "Openreach Blocking Copper Broadband at UK New Build Sites"  (Read 1852 times)

Ronski

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Just saw that elsewhere, apparently OR agreed to install copper instead of fibre originally, seems there's some confusion somewhere.

Mind you if the builder built the house with a proper CAT6 cabled network, and a duct to the coms cupboard where the master socket would be it would be easy to fit copper or fibre.
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I believe the issue was that the builder was 'late to the party' (ie: had not noticed us about the new-builds they were developing), then took it upon themselves to install copper services within their builds.

When OR have then been asked to attend site at the 11th hour to provide service, copper feeds were initially agreed. It then transpires this was refused (maybe from a higher level ??), and FTTP was the only thing left on the table.

Regardless of the Copper/FTTP decisions, I think it's incredibly sloppy for the house-builder to have overlooked what is now being classed in political circles, as a utility.
It is offered FREE to install for the house-builders, so it's not a cost issue. Plus, FTTP speeds will be a massive selling point for them too, I'm guessing ??

Al-in-all, I think the buck stops with them, in this instance.  :)
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Ronski

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Absolutely agree it should be FTTP now, and in my opinion houses should have ethernet to each main room from a patch panel, having FTTP will certainly add something to the value.

Good to hear OR are standing their ground.
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Chrysalis

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Developers seem out of touch if they think its a bad thing to have no copper.
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Bowdon

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Who wants to buy a new property that is stuck on copper?

How much would it cost to upgrade copper to full fibre in the future to this building?
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How much would it cost to upgrade copper to full fibre in the future to this building?

If they built it properly, with the required capability to upgrade to FTTP, very roughly £150 a unit.
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If they built it properly, with the required capability to upgrade to FTTP, very roughly £150 a unit.

Very optimistic of you to think they bothered to use conduits.
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You've a point. While the law states buildings should be high-speed ready that is just 30 Mb/s so they could claim having copper there is adequate as sticking a G.fast node in the basement would provide for 500 Mb/s.
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aesmith

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What do the home owners do for phones in these new build fibre-only developments, is the assumption that they won't want land lines?
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j0hn

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They use VOIP over fibre. You can also use this with internal copper wiring and extensions throughout the home.

Pointless installing an additional copper line for voice that will be switched off in the next few years anyway. The fibre is enough.
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aesmith

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I'm aware of the technical solutions, but as far as I'm aware nobody is yet offering an IP voice solution suitable for non-technical end users.  Before we're "there" in this regard we really need mass market ISPs to be offering IP voice as a bolt-on option to their service, sending out pre-configured kit and supporting in the same way that they support the data service. 
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jelv

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I can see this happening as quickly as all radio stations move to DAB!
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j0hn

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BT are the only major player that offer FTTP on the OpenReach network at present.

BT only sell FTTP with voice.
You connect your landline phone to the ONT (in older installations) or directly to the BT Hub in newer installations.

Nothing technical about it. I'm not talking about custom VOIP setups with 3rd party providers and your own kit.

It's really as simple as it is with a copper line.
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