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Author Topic: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all  (Read 11534 times)

Chrysalis

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2019, 08:59:50 AM »

That I am ok with, I think its wrong that the NHS is funded from general taxation and then taxpayers have to pay "again" for things like prescriptions and dentists.

This is assuming they only mean NHS dentists.
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2019, 09:28:53 AM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2019, 09:38:27 AM »

I agree its insulting to claim every leave voter knew what they voted for, but I certainly know some leave voters who haven't a clue what they voted for, many of them family members.

I think whether people voted leave or remain most didn't know what they were actually voting for. A lot of people I know voted leave because of migration, but it won't make any difference to illegal migration, and we do actually need legal migrant workers.

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Also I voted leave but I never wanted us to leave, it was a protest vote.  So I am proof in the pudding on a new referendum I would vote the other way.

I was very indecisive, but in the end voted remain, simply because I could see it would be a huge mess and would most likely hit my modest investments hard, which it has. If there was another referendum then I would vote leave. Simple reason is we now know what leave means, we don't know what remain means, I think the end game is the EU will be one big superstate with our Government being no more than a local council for the UK and I don't want that.

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Whatever happens it is very evident our press needs regulating, we have so much news printed that's not fact checked, its damaging the country,
I agree, most of us form our opinions by what we read or see on TV and the Internet, control that and you have a huge sway over the people.

As for the latest policy announcement, I've always thought it odd we have free health care, but that didn't include dentistry, but I'm still not going to vote Labour.
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2019, 10:05:14 AM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2019, 11:36:31 AM »

Yes that doesn't paint a very nice picture does it. I suspect they will just offer to pay dentists X amount for a check up or they will threaten to nationalise them if they don't play ball.

Like healthcare there will always be private optiona unless they ban them like they want to with private schools  :lol:
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2019, 11:53:38 AM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2019, 12:56:48 PM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2019, 03:26:42 PM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2019, 04:00:53 PM »

Afford should be boolean, yes I can or no I can't, your parents made sacrifices in areas of their/your lives so that they could afford to send you to a private school - they could afford one or the other, not both. I could buy a brand new car, but I make the choice not to as it would have a large negative impact on what I can afford when I'm retired, others would just spend that money, borrow more and worry about the consequences later, which is labours approach.

It's ironic that you lived in a council house and went to a private school, so perhaps the very people that labour claim to want to help, but then would have stopped you going to a private school. It's not always about how much money you have but how you choose to spend it (no holidays, old car), an awful lot of people lack the ability to manage their income, and thus fall into severe debt.

My mother and father split up when I was about ten years old, I remember my mother getting by on food handouts from the salvation army, my brothers and I used to wear second hand clothes we were given as well.
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2019, 12:26:48 AM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2019, 01:12:44 AM »

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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #71 on: November 18, 2019, 06:19:57 AM »

Have the total taxes we pay really gone down though? The tax on my wages may have dropped, but my cars road tax has increased, my council tax has increased, vat is at 20%, we pay vat on gas, electric, insurance now, bound to be others to. Things such as parking at hospitals, council parking, paying to dispose of rubbish at the tip, my green garden bin has doubled in cost. We pay vat on fuel duty on petrol/diesel although that has been frozen, although I don't smoke duty on cigarettes has gone with good reason I think. Stealth taxes have probably risen.

Last thing I think we need is an extreme right wing government undoing all the hard work and borrowing trillions that has to be paid back.
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2019, 10:24:49 AM »

Here's an interesting article on taxation written in 2017, not what I was looking for but still interesting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/tax-burden-wealthy-has-trebled-since-1970s-telegraph-analysis/
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2019, 11:04:56 AM »

There is nothing wrong with raising taxes anyway, they are at a historical level very low and it is affordable.

Actually, taxes are not at historically low levels and while there may be a case to raise them - its the wrong measure to look at.

What you should be considering is public spending as a % of GDP (https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/past_spending) - this is consistently higher than than the % collected in taxes - hence the annual deficit.

Its generally considered to be bad news for an economy if this figure is over 40% of GDP.
 
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Re: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2019, 12:06:44 PM »

deficits are normal, the Tories spread the myth that having a deficit is some kind of disaster.

Sadly I think corbyn is now a bit too left wing for me, I like the green party policies but they not a major party.

What is interesting is that the tories in the 1970s were more left wing than labour in the 2000s.  Thats how politics have shifted, when Blair was in power lib dems were more left wing than labour.
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