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[sevenlayermuddle]

I’m feeling strangely drawn towards the railway station, from which trains depart for a town with an Apple store that seems to have iPhone 11s in stock.   

Any thoughts on iPhone 11 Pro?    I ‘m thinking of that one as it seems to be physically the smallest.  I think it has the same excellent OLED display that tempted me (nearly) to buy an XS last year.

Not too interested in the camera as I just can’t take the tiny lenses on mobile phones seriously, preferring to use ‘proper’ digital cameras.  But who knows, I might become a convert.

My previous (and current) iPhone, a 5C, has lasted me over 5 years so I feel I can justify the treat.

It’ll cost more than the first new car I remember Dad buying (mk1 escort, 1970), which I shall need to not think about at all. 

[Weaver]

My wife has ordered one, attracted by the camera in it.

[Ronski]

Sort of off topic, but I just treated myself to a spy phone, sorry Huawei Mate 20 Pro, which has optical zoom and everything else I require of a phone, it came to the princely sum of £252, which is less than the price of my first car, brand new in a box collected from the O2 store Saturday, not bad for a phone that cost £900 a year ago 

[tubaman]

Sort of off topic, but I just treated myself to a spy phone, sorry Huawei Mate 20 Pro, which has optical zoom and everything else I require of a phone, it came to the princely sum of £252, which is less than the price of my first car, brand new in a box collected from the O2 store Saturday, not bad for a phone that cost £900 a year ago 

The camera on this phone confuses me as it has 3 lenses. Does it really give you optical zoom - ie you can move optically from 1X to 3X in a seamless fashion - or just a choice of fixed lenses to use?
 

[gt94sss2]

Any thoughts on iPhone 11 Pro?    I ‘m thinking of that one as it seems to be physically the smallest.  I think it has the same excellent OLED display that tempted me (nearly) to buy an XS last year.

Not too interested in the camera as I just can’t take the tiny lenses on mobile phones seriously, preferring to use ‘proper’ digital cameras.  But who knows, I might become a convert.

My previous (and current) iPhone, a 5C, has lasted me over 5 years so I feel I can justify the treat.

If your current phone is a 5C and you’re not very seriously interested in phone cameras, save yourself several £100 and just get the standard iPhone 11. Trust me on this.

It will be a huge upgrade for you, the screen while not OLED is excellent and unless you are comparing the 2 models side by side, won’t notice the difference (and sometimes not even then). The camera is very good on the base model as well.

I’ve upgraded several family members from the 5S to the 11 and they are more than happy. I did invest some of the savings in paying the extra £50 to get the 128GB models rather than the base 64GB ones though.

[sevenlayermuddle]

Ok thanks, the reason I’m focusing on the Pro mainly because it is the smallest.   Not by much, but when I compared XR and XS side by side, the size difference was noticeable.    Similarly, the OLED display definitely had the edge over LCD.   But I’ll make sure I take a fresh look at the 11s too.

I remain sceptical of the camera, but that’s not to say I won’t use it.   I’ve heard it said by people more serious about photography than I am, that sometimes your best camera is the one you have with you.

Per storage, yes I am tempted to bump up to 256GB from the basic 64GB, even though the 5C only has 8GB.   Can’t help feeling though that it’s only a matter of time before I give into the temptation to start paying subscription for more iCloud storage, hence offloading some stuff to Apple.  I wonder if doing that would reduce the need for phone memory upgrade?

[Ronski]

The camera on this phone confuses me as it has 3 lenses. Does it really give you optical zoom - ie you can move optically from 1X to 3X in a seamless fashion - or just a choice of fixed lenses to use?
 

Having had a look it seems to give the choice of different fixed zoom levels of 1x, 3x, 5x, or 0.6x https://techcrunch.com/sponsored/inside-the-mate-20-pro-camera/

There is one very recent phone that uses a mirror at 45 degrees to give a true variable zoom by optics laid flat within the phone, can't remember what it is though.

[gt94sss2]

Ok thanks, the reason I’m focusing on the Pro mainly because it is the smallest.   Not by much, but when I compared XR and XS side by side, the size difference was noticeable.

The difference seems large especially when coming from a 5C/S but you quickly get used to it.

Per storage, yes I am tempted to bump up to 256GB from the basic 64GB, even though the 5C only has 8GB.   Can’t help feeling though that it’s only a matter of time before I give into the temptation to start paying subscription for more iCloud storage, hence offloading some stuff to Apple.  I wonder if doing that would reduce the need for phone memory upgrade?

I find the Google Photos app is your friend in these cases. Of course, if I really wanted the best camera I would be waiting for the new Pixel to come out in October.

It’s worth looking at some YouTube comparisons of the different models if you haven’t yet.

[Weaver]

Do iPhone users feel a need for large amounts of flash?

Stupid question coming : what do you find yourself doing that eats flash up?

I’m wondering about how to choose flash size in a phone. (Answer is I suppose, just get the largest there is always.)

For me on my iPad it’s only downloaded films. Janet has a lot of photos in her world but they are all pushed up and away into iCloud as required so I’m not sure exactly how much Flash is needed for them. In any event photos are tiny compared with movies of course.

[sevenlayermuddle]

I have admitted that I am tempted to upgrade this time but in the past with Apple devices, whenever I have had a choice, I’ve gone for the basic, minimum storage.

I think a voice inside my head is telling one of two things will happen...

1)  I will remain sufficiently self-disciplined to keep an eye on storage, clearing out what’s not needed, and so I’ll never need much.
Or
2) I will simply let the device gradually fill, and buying more storage means it will take longer for that to happen.

The trouble with (2) is that, even though it takes longer to fill, if I just let it run and run, it will eventually happen.  So I’d eventually have to fall back on (1) after all.   I think that justifies going for a low storage option, within reason.

[gt94sss2]

what do you find yourself doing that eats flash up?

For most of my family, it seems to be (in no specific order) bearing in mind they keep their devices for several years:

- Photos/Videos - the higher the quality, the more space they take
- WhatsApp
- Facebook/Other Apps (there has also been a tendency for the average size of an app to increase as well as the number used)

Its also useful to store some things locally (Google Maps etc when travelling)

[Chunkers]

From what I understand the iPhone 11 is a year 3 product in their 3 yearly product cycle, so basically the iPhone 11 is an evolution of the iPhone X with a new camera but otherwise 3 year old design and hardware.

Next years iPhone will be a completely new generation based on their new architecture and much hyped new processors etc and also potentially USB-C

Imho better to wait til next year if you can......

I like Dave2D's reviews personally :

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDqmLrpMz7A[/youtube]

[sevenlayermuddle]

Thanks, Chunkers but my 5C being stuck on iOS 10, I feel compelled to take the leap.

The review seems to focus heavily on the camera but, as stated earlier, that’s not really a factor for me.   I’m quite ‘into’ photography and, maybe because of that, I just can’t take mobile phone cameras seriously.    I see the camera purely as a toy, albeit quite a nice toy I will enjoy playing with.

The future USB-C aspect also, is also not a pull for me.   When we travel, we do so with 2xiPads and 2xiPhones, so it is more useful if all accept the same charging cables.  Even at home, there is a small table in the corner of the lounge serving as a ‘charging farm’, 4 x Apple chargers, just grab a lightning cable and plug it in.  Visitors appreciate that too.

One little recognised fact of the 11 Pro btw, is I believe, it ships with a fast 18W charger.  Other Apple devices won’t benefit (but will still charge), whilst capable devices should charge much faster.

[dee.jay]

My OnePlus 5T's dash charger would like a word - 0-80% in 40 minutes, or something daft. Charger is 4A :|

[g3uiss]

All you Iphone 11users must be on iOS 13 at least. Is anybody suffering the bug with duplicate emails in the sent folder. Seems even 13.1.2 still has this bug there is a fairly long Apple forum thread on it

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250651630?answerId=251288720022

Tony