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[Ronski]

So the same as what VM do, hopefully in our case they have the sense to put it next to VMs Tobi.

[renluop]

Something called 'Speed tubing' will be deployed .... ie: a multi-tube affair that will 'drop off' a tube outside each premises passed to a tobi box. 

BS, I'm guessing there will also be  tubing from PCP too in ground?
Tobi box?

[Black Sheep]

BS, I'm guessing there will also be  tubing from PCP too in ground?
Tobi box?

Hmmm ?? Not quite sure here Ren ..... FTTP from the Cab would currently (as I understand it), only be deployed on a cost basis, ie: a shortage of fibres from the head-end ??

The tubing would normally be used from splitter nodes/CBT's (beyond the main Agg node in other words) .... so I would guess that speed-tubing from the Cab to be in the very low percentages, if at all ?? 

[Ronski]

Tobi box?

It's a small access point located in the pavement for end user connection points.

https://hexatronic.co.uk/products/network-products/subscriber-underground-access-chamber/toby-box/

[Black Sheep]

Whoops, sorry .... missed the TB question at the end. 

[renluop]

Thanks for answers. I'm still confused; where ever the fibre originates, in areas that have no overhead infrastructure nor ducting won't there be a need of something to carry it, new ducts, or poles?

[burakkucat]

. . . in areas that have no overhead infrastructure nor ducting won't there be a need of something to carry it, new ducts, or poles?

Yes, that is correct.

[sevenlayermuddle]

Thanks for answers. I'm still confused; where ever the fibre originates, in areas that have no overhead infrastructure nor ducting won't there be a need of something to carry it, new ducts, or poles?

Yes, that is correct.

Hmmm, I am also still learning.   Given that fibre is replacing a subset of copper phone lines, all of which already relied on poles or ducting, how can there be any areas that will receive fibre, that do not already have either existing poles or existing ducting?

[burakkucat]

Hmmm, I am also still learning.   Given that fibre is replacing a subset of copper phone lines, all of which already relied on poles or ducting, how can there be any areas that will receive fibre, that do not already have either existing poles or existing ducting?

Those areas, like that in which renluop's abode is situated, where the current telephony cables are directly buried in the ground.

[sevenlayermuddle]

Those areas, like that in which renluop's abode is situated, where the current telephony cables are directly buried in the ground.

Thanks, I did not know that these cables might be buried without ducting.

Harping back to my opening post though, whilst I am grateful for all contributions to this thread, I’m feeling slightly overwhelmed by jargon.  I have existing ducts under my lawn (c150-200ft) serving myself and neighbours and I’m still not entirely clear as to the circumstances that ducting might need to be dig up, or what upheaval that might incur,    Or, heaven forbid, whether the ducts might be replaced by poles.

[burakkucat]

I have existing ducts under my lawn (c150-200ft) serving myself and neighbours and I’m still not entirely clear as to the circumstances that ducting might need to be dig up, or what upheaval that might incur,    Or, heaven forbid, whether the ducts might be replaced by poles.

As I understand things, those ducts are just a convenience for the local D-side cabling. I very much doubt that they are stuffed full of metallic cables and would hazard a guess that there is sufficient space to install a sub-duct that would carry optical fibres.

Why worry about the future? Wait until the future is "now". 

[sevenlayermuddle]

Many thanks.

As to “why worry about the future?”.  It is because the existing wayleave agreement, signed many years ago, is unbounded by time.   

If the need arises to oppose BT, or their contractors, intent upon disturbing my abode, by giving the matter advanced consideration, I might be better placed to oppose their actions before any harm is done.

[Ronski]

Our estate built in the seventies is also DIG, which is short for direct in ground. So not only did someone think aluminium was a good cost saving, they also thought doing away with the ducts was a good way to save money. Oh how those two ideas have cost them over the years because of a short sighted penny pincher.

[renluop]

A real mixture here in my town, there are ducts, poles, other utilities' poles, DIG, some times  different in the same road.

OT about a month ago something clouted the PCP and the Huawei companion near my daughter's house, knocking them cockeyed. They're being reseated now. I was surprised that service kept going as usual throughout.

[licquorice]

Our estate built in the seventies is also DIG, which is short for direct in ground. So not only did someone think aluminium was a good cost saving, they also thought doing away with the ducts was a good way to save money. Oh how those two ideas have cost them over the years because of a short sighted penny pincher.

BT are extremely well practiced at spending £10 to save a fiver!!