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[flilot]

Hi knowledgable Kitizens.

I'm shortly due to have a new FTTC connection with Zen on their Unlimited Fibre 2 service 80/20, with activation scheduled for 20th June. A brand new provision, with the line having not had any form of DSL service on it for around 10 years, as I have been with VM in that time period.
Zen supply the AVM FRITZ!Box 7530, which as I understand it, has the Lantiq chipset with no CLI for detailed line stats display or logging via DSLStats etc.

What would be your current recommendation(s) for a router (or indeed modem to use with the FRITZ's WAN port) which I could extract stats from for monitoring and logging? (this being purely for my own amusement / technical interest although as you all know, stats always help for troubleshooting should the need arise). I use wireless occasionally, but it is not of huge importance, with the majority of my equipment connected to any router via ethernet.

I'll be connecting to an ECI cabinet so no G.INP in my immediate future, but ideally want recommendations restricted to G.INP capable products in case OR do get around to enabling it on ECI cabs in future.

Thanks for all help and advice!

[psychopomp1]

I'm not aware of any high end modem/router which provides comprensive line stats, they typically just show the basics in the GUI. You're better off going with a 2 box setup such as Huawei HG612 + router of your choice or Zyxel VMG8324-B10A + router of your choice. For the standalone router part, I would suggest something like the Netgear R7800 or Asus RT-AC88U.

[flilot]

Thanks.  Had a quick look on eBay and the Huawei HG612 seems abundant and cheap to obtain, so thats going top of my list currently. I can use the Zen supplied Fritz as the router.
I note there are 2B and 3B versions of the HG612, assume the 3B version is the latest and best to get?

Further recommendations / comments welcome.

[psychopomp1]

Yep you will need the 3B version. Stay away from earlier versions as they were prone to overheating. You will also need to unlock the HG612 if not already unlocked:
https://kitz.co.uk/routers/hg612hacking.htm

[flilot]

Yep you will need the 3B version. Stay away from earlier versions as they were prone to overheating. You will also need to unlock the HG612 if not already unlocked:
https://kitz.co.uk/routers/hg612hacking.htm

Cheers. 

[j0hn]

I'll be connecting to an ECI cabinet so no G.INP in my immediate future ever.

I've corrected that for you.

[flilot]

I've corrected that for you.

Is that "never" confirmed now then?

[Alex Atkin UK]

Thanks.  Had a quick look on eBay and the Huawei HG612 seems abundant and cheap to obtain, so thats going top of my list currently. I can use the Zen supplied Fritz as the router.
I note there are 2B and 3B versions of the HG612, assume the 3B version is the latest and best to get?

Further recommendations / comments welcome.

I personally wouldn't go with the HG612 as its a bit long in the tooth now with no new firmware updates.  I'm guessing you probably already bought it by now though.

[flilot]

I personally wouldn't go with the HG612 as its a bit long in the tooth now with no new firmware updates.  I'm guessing you probably already bought it by now though.

I did eventually buy one and it's arriving tomorrow, cheap enough on eBay these days to not be a problem either way, plus I can always just remove it and throw it back on eBay to get all/most of my money back if it comes down to that.

The stats on the Fritz!Box aren't the best, for starters the sync speed displayed doesn't seem to correlate with the actual sync speed of the line as reported by Openreach and thus Zen's systems (see image below), so this makes me doubt the accuracy of the rest of the stats being displayed (not a good thing when you're wanting to keep an accurate eye on your line).  I'll give the HG612 a go and see what happens.

Fritz Stats vs OR / Zen's numbers:

[flilot]

Managed to get the HG612 setup this morning using the Fritz purely as a router.

My attainable rate has shot up to near maximum, can you knowledgable folk cast an eye over the stats from the modem to see why I'm not syncing any higher than I was with the Fritz!Box?
Modem is right near the NTE5 connected to the test socket with a short 30cm cable, so household wiring is of no consideration.

Cheers.

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xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 28194 Kbps, Downstream rate = 77788 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67707 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (6,31) (882,1193) (1984,2770)
DS: (33,857) (1218,1959) (2795,4083)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (6,31) (882,1193) (1984,2770)
DS: (41,857) (1218,1959) (2795,4083)
                  VDSL Port Details               Upstream                Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           28194 kbps              77788 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             2.2 dBm                2.1 dBm
====================================================================================
        VDSL Band Status                U0              U1              U2              U3              U4          D1               D2              D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  0.4     14.5    25.0     N/A     N/A    9.2     21.0    33.5
Signal Attenuation(dB):  0.3     14.5    25.0     N/A     N/A    11.6    20.8    33.5
                SNR Margin(dB):  12.3    9.9     9.8      N/A     N/A    6.3     6.3     6.3
                 TX Power(dBm): -6.6    -28.9    1.5      N/A     N/A    10.5    7.5     7.3   


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xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 28215 Kbps, Downstream rate = 77556 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67707 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.2             9.9
Attn(dB):        14.3            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        2.1             2.2
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              150
B:              51              236
M:              1               1
T:              64              5
R:              12              16
S:              0.0244          0.3771
L:              20952           5410
D:              1325            1
I:              64              255
N:              64              255
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            920975          235975
OHFErr:         5               0
RS:             235608104               2445925
RSCorr:         28711           0
RSUnCorr:       157             0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            28              0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    188226460               0
Data Cells:     2089723         0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            26              26
AS:             1446

                        Bearer 0
INP:            3.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          8               0
PER:            1.57            6.15
OR:             122.28          202.87
AgR:            67829.04        20203.27

Bitswap:        770/770         4/4

Total time = 24 min 32 sec
FEC:            28711           0
CRC:            5               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 9 min 32 sec
FEC:            3709            0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            25002           0
CRC:            5               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 24 min 32 sec
FEC:            28711           0
CRC:            5               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 24 min 5 sec
FEC:            28711           0
CRC:            5               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0


[flilot]

Just a note to add I have HG612 Modem Stats running so can provide graphs / other info if needed.

[tubaman]

Your downstream SNR is reporting 6.2dB so that would suggest your connection rate is as it should be.
I'm not sure why the HG612 is suggesting a higher attainable rate, but it may be the interleaving on the downstream causing it to misreport?
 

[j0hn]

The HG612 uses an old method to calculate the attainable.
This puts the attainable too high with Interleaving/INP active.

It's not a sign of improvement.

[flilot]

Fair enough.  Thanks for the info chaps.