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[DiggerOfHoles]

Taking all the above in to account under what circumstances could they put a stop sale on POTS?

I thought we had already sorted this out sale stop only on new builds? not national.

The OP is obviously inaccurate as I have already alluded to.

The services you describe as available? Can retail customers order this or business only?

[roseway]

Are you, @roseway , a L2TP expert by any chance?

Definitely not, sorry.

[j0hn]

I thought we had already sorted this out sale stop only on new builds? not national.

You're not reading what I'm writing.

There is no POTS on the new builds in question... they are fibre only. The only voice service available is FVA (fibre voice access).
There is no copper to provide POTS.

They cannot put a stop sale on a service that was never available.

I'm not the only person to point that out in this thread.

What you describe already happens in FTTP-only new builds. You can't order POTS even if you want to as there's no copper there.

The services you describe as available? Can retail customers order this or business only?

Retail. I haven't looked at what's available to business customers.

[DiggerOfHoles]

Thanks @j0hn and everyone else. I neglected to read SINs in advance.

My invisible tag line, I get the sarcasm now! Made me laugh after having first gone over my head.

The ONT with battery backup is option 1 below, from my research, is no longer supplied by OR.

All 'new' interfaces will be passive, presented as a fiber option 2 below.

Then OR supply optical modem or modem/router? ISP supplied equipment?

1.10/100/1000Mbit/sRJ-45 connection with IEEE 802.3 [1]Ethernet at10, 100or1000Mb/s,in fullduplex mode.
2.1000 Mbit/s1000Base-SXor1000Base-LXoptical presentation with IEEE 802.3[1]GigabitEthernet framing.

I think option one is too expensive and not a customer install option. OR will charge you £££ to change the battery.

Where as 2 can be installed and maintained by a chimp(me).

And this leads me to my second point about prices/Openreach/BTw/ISPs

BT retail ISP seam to have a 'monopoly' on FTTP as it stands at the moment.

This is the change I am hoping for and I hope it extends beyond FTTP.

Does this make my ramblings any clearer?

[j0hn]

The ONT with battery backup is option 1 below, from my research, is no longer supplied by OR.

They only supply the battery backup unit for vulnerable customers so they still have emergency access to a telephone in the event of a power cut.

BT retail ISP seam to have a 'monopoly' on FTTP as it stands at the moment.

It's not really a monopoly though as it's the ISP's choosing not to sell the product.
OpenReach sell FTTP to any ISP who wants to buy it and a number of smaller ISP's already do.
Sky are set to launch their FTTP product soon.

As the number of properties with FTTP grows then more ISP's will start to sell it.

[niemand]

Your option 2 isn't feasible. You need a PON ONT in between that and the Openreach network. There's also the issue that Openreach deliver over a single fibre so that's SX and LX presentation out, those want pairs, has to be BX.

You either have to deliver point to point or have a PON ONT. If Openreach were so minded they could allow people to provide their own and could register these to the customers.

[burakkucat]

They only supply the battery backup unit for vulnerable customers so they still have emergency access to a telephone in the event of a power cut.

Interestingly new, boxed, Openreach branded, Huawei EchoLife HG8110H-20 GPON Terminals appear for auction on eBay, at a starting price of £7-50.

That is the outer case, the GPON terminal, the BBU, the PSU and the telemetry cable.

[niemand]

Oh dear. These are another thing like people selling Virgin Media kit on there: there is the small matter of getting the network operator to provision them for you.