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[DiggerOfHoles]

[I've moved this thread away from the News section, because it's a discussion, not news - roseway]


I don't want to start a rumor but I have 'heard on the grapevine' I will say no more of where.

By the end of the month new POTS is going on sale stop. Edit. For new developments ie greenfield.

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem.

Along with all sorts of other 'deregulation' in the market.

Any one else seen any smoke signals?

[j0hn]

I don't want to start a rumor but I have 'heard on the grapevine' I will say no more of where.

By the end of the month new POTS is going on sale stop.

nonsense imo

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem.

FTTP with VOIP has been available since around 2013 where FTTP is available.
It's called FVA (Fibre voice access).

No POTS is called SOGEA (Single Order Generic Ethernet Access) aka "Naked DSL".
SOGEA is still in trial.

If there is anything happening with "No POTS" then it will be the availability of SOGEA.

That's just the option of having no POTS, and is a million miles away from a stop sale on POTS.

edit: I'll add to this post.

The OP is a bit vague with regards to who is implementing this sale stop.

An ISP like BT could choose to stop selling POTS for those with FTTP and copper available.

I'll eat my hat if OpenReach pull POTS for areas with both FTTP and copper.
BT and Zen are the only 2 ISP's I'm aware of who even sell FVA.

[DiggerOfHoles]

I don't want to start a rumor but I have 'heard on the grapevine' I will say no more of where.

By the end of the month new POTS is going on sale stop. Edit. For new developments ie greenfield.

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem.

I heard the above some weeks ago from one person in the industry.

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem.

Along with all sorts of other 'deregulation' in the market.

I heard the above last week from a separate industry source. The deregulation they were talking about was the WBC price list I inferred.

IMO top quote is BS and I will join @j0hn in eating my hat.

As for bottom quote I can't see a reason for my source BSing me.

[niemand]

What you describe already happens in FTTP-only new builds. You can't order POTS even if you want to as there's no copper there.

[johnson]

So its VOIP only in new builds? Is that what the battery back up is about?

So does the ONT in the house have SIP or similar capability with something configured for your providers service? How does this break out into actual phones?

[DiggerOfHoles]

Never seen this before WBC SOGEA on list. Not Available though.

[niemand]

So its VOIP only in new builds? Is that what the battery back up is about?

So does the ONT in the house have SIP or similar capability with something configured for your providers service? How does this break out into actual phones?

Correct. Voice port(s) on the ONT using dedicated VLAN. Just plug a phone into it as per or extension cabling.

Regarding WBC SOGEA that's been a thing for a while.

[j0hn]

So its VOIP only in new builds? Is that what the battery back up is about?

So does the ONT in the house have SIP or similar capability with something configured for your providers service? How does this break out into actual phones?

The ONT has an ATA port.

FVA will provide a VLAN between the OLT equipment in a Openreach Point of Handover in a BT exchange and each ONT device in the user premises.  This ‘VLAN’ will be able to carry voice data communication signals after the CP has successfully ordered service for delivery to its user(s).  The VLAN will be terminated at the Analogue Telephone Adaptor (ATA) within the ONT.  This product provides an ATA/SIP User Agent within the ONT itself, enabling an end user to simply plug their analogue phone or existing wiring into the voice port on the ONT.    One VLAN can support a maximum of two FVA lines per ONT

They've had this available for a number of years but BT were the only ISP to offer FVA.
I believe Zen might also offer FVA now. - Not so sure they do.

[DiggerOfHoles]

By the end of the month new POTS is going on sale stop. Edit. For new developments ie greenfield.

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem.


I think the above deals with the above. voip access on ont via dac?

[j0hn]

By the end of the month new POTS is going on sale stop. Edit. For new developments ie greenfield.

That can't be right either.

There is no copper on new builds with FTTP so POTS isn't an option. There can't be a sale stop on something that isn't available.

The only circumstances where they could put a stop on selling POTS would be areas where both copper and fibre was available.

I can't see OpenReach doing this though, or OFCOM allowing it.
Not enough ISP's are selling FVA or have their own VOIP solutions in place.

Sounds like crossed wires to me.

Never seen this before WBC SOGEA on list. Not Available though.

Been there quite a while now.

[DiggerOfHoles]

[I think the above deals with the above. voip access on ont via dac?

above deals with the above double negative type thing.

Taking account what has been said above, by other posters, can someone give a definitive answer to the above, OP, point 1?

[DiggerOfHoles]

Been there quite a while now.

Is it usual to 'No POTS is called SOGEA (Single Order Generic Ethernet Access) aka "Naked DSL".
SOGEA is still in trial' to be put on BT broadband checker whilst still on trial?

[DiggerOfHoles]

The ONT has an ATA port.

They've had this available for a number of years but BT were the only ISP to offer FVA.
I believe Zen might also offer FVA now. - Not so sure they do.

Maybe 'BT were the only ISP to offer FVA'

Is morphing into

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem ONT.

Along with all sorts of other 'deregulation' in the market.

[DiggerOfHoles]

[I've moved this thread away from the News section, because it's a discussion, not news - roseway]

Thank you. More gossip than news in hindsight.

Are you, @roseway , a L2TP expert by any chance?

[j0hn]

Maybe 'BT were the only ISP to offer FVA'

Is morphing into

And FTTP can be ordered without POTS and will have a VOIP interface on optical modem ONT.

There seems to be some confusion.
This is how it is currently and how it has always been on FTTP.
FVA is VOIP via the ATA port.
A bog standard run of the mill telephone is connected to the telephone port on the ONT and voice is provided via VOIP.

Currently you can order;

FTTP with data only (no voice service at all)
FTTP with FVA (VOIP via ATA port on ONT)
FTTP with voice via POTS

Stopping POTS in copper only areas isn't going to happen for years. What is the alternative for voice?

Stopping POTS in FTTP/copper mixed areas isn't going to happen either.
Many many ISP's (Talktalk, Sky, Plusnet) don't even sell FTTP so stopping POTS would effectively preventing them selling voice services in areas with FTTP.

Obviously there is no POTS in FTTP only areas.

Taking all the above in to account under what circumstances could they put a stop sale on POTS?