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Author Topic: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet  (Read 4494 times)

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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2019, 06:54:34 PM »

Previously static IPs had to go through the old gateways because the 21CN MSE bRAS only issued dynamic IPs from a local pool.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 06:55:42 PM »

As Jelv correctly said, they were which is why I mentioned it..  but I noticed a change fairly recently so not sure now.   
I'll try ask someone, but I've been in hospital and morphined up so will respond when I can.

Thanks Kitz. Appreciate it.

I'm still in contract with Plusnet for a few months so if it's possible that moving off a static IP will move me from shared to dedicated and improve the congestion, I'd consider it.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2019, 07:16:52 PM »

This post is about the most clear and authoritative statement I've been able to find:

Quote from: Kelly
Previously "Old Network" would refer to any user who was provisioned on the WBMC Shared Platform which meant their connection would come via L2TP to our old City Lifeline and Telehouse datacentres.   We then added in the use of WBMC Dedicated at our new datacentres and started provisioning customers on this.  This was the "New Network".   This meant there was suddenly different bits of infrastructure that customers would be going over based on if they were "old" or "new", and the distinction was meaningful.

Nowadays, the only difference is down to the point where an IP address is assigned.  Customers on usage limited broadband products, IP Stream (20CN) or who have a static IP have their sessions terminated on our BNG end points.  These customers have effectively an additional piece of kit (the BNG) added into their route out to the internet where the IP address is assigned, but apart from that are going through the same network devices as other customers
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2019, 07:19:06 PM »

I'm still in contract with Plusnet for a few months so if it's possible that moving off a static IP will move me from shared to dedicated and improve the congestion, I'd consider it.

I'm pretty sure it won't move you between WBMC Shared and WBMC Dedicated, but it may stop the Plusnet Current Line Speed reducing your speed (which it used to do very slightly even when set at the "correct" value).
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2019, 07:33:32 PM »

Answer :-

They now LT2P between Plusnets RADIUS and the dedicated MSILs, but there are still a few stragglers.   
It's mostly only 20CN using WBC shared now.


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I only noticed the changes on a tracert within the past couple of months. 

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Person I asked said not aware of any congestion on their part of the network*, but congestion bottleneck these days is the Wholesale VLANs. :/

*Person who told me, does not BS.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 07:46:28 PM by kitz »
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 07:56:03 PM »

.. and another message.   
Non L2TP gets all of the caching from Google/Akamai etc too, but static doesn't.


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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2019, 08:39:59 PM »

So in short, it doesn't matter that I'm on a static IP?
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2019, 08:49:17 PM »

I find that difficult to believe.

Code: [Select]
traceroute to www.intel.com (84.53.168.5), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  _gateway (192.168.0.1)  2.965 ms
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 3  129.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk (195.166.143.129)  23.983 ms
 4  128.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk (195.166.143.128)  25.508 ms
 5  195.99.125.136 (195.99.125.136)  24.923 ms
 6  194.72.16.80 (194.72.16.80)  32.141 ms
 7  *
 8  a84-53-168-5.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com (84.53.168.5)  26.040 ms

The route to anything Akamai seems to be a typical Plusnet -> BT -> some presumably close Akamai node.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2019, 08:50:26 PM »

So in short, it doesn't matter that I'm on a static IP?

Static IP makes your connection worse due to the Plusnet Current Line Speed (their copy of the IP profile).
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2019, 11:01:21 PM »

I find that difficult to believe.

Code: [Select]
traceroute to www.intel.com (84.53.168.5), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  _gateway (192.168.0.1)  2.965 ms
 2  *
 3  129.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk (195.166.143.129)  23.983 ms
 4  128.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk (195.166.143.128)  25.508 ms
 5  195.99.125.136 (195.99.125.136)  24.923 ms
 6  194.72.16.80 (194.72.16.80)  32.141 ms
 7  *
 8  a84-53-168-5.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com (84.53.168.5)  26.040 ms

The route to anything Akamai seems to be a typical Plusnet -> BT -> some presumably close Akamai node.

I don't get any kind of route like that on my static IP, here's my route.

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1  r7800 (192.168.0.1)  2.053 ms  2.001 ms  1.207 ms
 2  vl241.ptw-ag02.plus.net (84.93.253.120)  16.589 ms  16.887 ms  15.719 ms
 3  84.93.253.123 (84.93.253.123)  16.619 ms  16.092 ms  16.443 ms
 4  195.99.125.134 (195.99.125.134)  18.124 ms  16.444 ms
    195.99.125.138 (195.99.125.138)  16.917 ms
 5  194.72.16.96 (194.72.16.96)  16.726 ms
    peer2-et0-0-2.slough.ukcore.bt.net (62.172.103.204)  17.115 ms
    194.72.16.64 (194.72.16.64)  17.078 ms
 6  109.159.253.147 (109.159.253.147)  16.984 ms
    ae60-0.lts-96cbe-1b.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.13.46)  28.125 ms  16.557 ms
 7  be-71-0.ibr02.lon30.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.246)  155.321 ms

and to bbc..

Code: [Select]
1  r7800 (192.168.0.1)  2.752 ms  1.987 ms  2.115 ms
 2  vl241.ptw-ag02.plus.net (84.93.253.120)  15.719 ms  16.415 ms  16.245 ms
 3  84.93.253.127 (84.93.253.127)  15.959 ms  16.790 ms  16.769 ms
 4  core1-be1.southbank.ukcore.bt.net (195.99.125.130)  16.649 ms  17.612 ms  16.226 ms
 5  peer7-et-7-0-5.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (62.172.103.166)  16.619 ms
    peer2-et0-1-5.slough.ukcore.bt.net (62.172.103.210)  17.297 ms
    peer8-et0-1-5.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.252.102)  17.044 ms
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My plusnet gateway is indicated as psb-ir01, which isn't a bng/ag node, but you can clearly see from the traceroute I pass through one of those. Do my traceroutes indicate I'm still on WMBC shared?

Static IP makes your connection worse due to the Plusnet Current Line Speed (their copy of the IP profile).

Thanks, so it's worth coming off it, if I don't need it?
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 08:21:31 AM »

I can't really tell where those traceroutes were going to, but my traceroutes to those IP addresses look quite similar on a non-static IP.

Thanks, so it's worth coming off it, if I don't need it?

Yes.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 10:40:23 AM »

My plusnet gateway is indicated as psb-ir01, which isn't a bng/ag node, but you can clearly see from the traceroute I pass through one of those. Do my traceroutes indicate I'm still on WMBC shared?

You can't tell from the traceroute as it is tunnelled and the can't see any of the intermediate hops between your router and the Plusnet gateway in London. When someone with a fixed IP is moved from shared to dedicated they see no change in the traceroute.

If you don't need a fixed IP you'd probably be better without it.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 10:53:41 AM »

Thanks Iíll, Iíll try coming off it until my contract is up.
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2019, 09:09:17 PM »

Coming back to this.

I've been looking at ID Net, and saw they have gaming.idnet.uk for gaming packages.

From what I've seen this appears to simply be their normal packages with elevated traffic priority.

Does anyone know if that service is any different in terms of routing etc?

If it isn't, is their elevated traffic priority worth the extra cost?
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Re: Help picking an ISP - Leaving Plusnet
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2019, 12:41:24 AM »

Btw AA has zero congestion in their network and in carriers. They also offer the option of elevated traffic priority within BT and in their own network at extra cost, a BT thing.
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