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Author Topic: Sync nowhere estimate  (Read 2457 times)

Alex Atkin UK

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Re: Sync nowhere estimate
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2020, 12:40:41 PM »

G.fast is less likely to be subject to crosstalk due to the much lower take up.  I also believe G.fast is vectored?

As for VDSL, my poorer line:
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       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.202 Mbps       54.953 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.000 Mbps       54.864 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        6.1 dB            6.1 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        5.5 dBm          13.7 dBm
           Receive Power:      -10.2 dBm           0.8 dBm
              Actual INP:        0.0 symbols       0.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       15.7 dB           12.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     20.606 Mbps       54.884 Mbps
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      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.5    15.4    24.6     N/A     8.3    18.8    30.2   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.2    15.2    24.5     N/A    10.2    18.6    30.1   
        SNR Margin(dB): 10.1     6.4     6.0     N/A     6.1     6.1     6.1   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 6.6   -28.8     5.3     N/A    10.8     7.2     7.6   
============================================================================

Increasing to 56.140 Mbps with a different modem.

My better line:
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Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 62249 Kbps

                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.4             7.6
Attn(dB):        13.9            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.7            5.3

Increasing to 66.14Mbit with a different modem.

So while I absolutely agree you should be pushing for this to be looked into, this is the reality of what crosstalk can do.  Both my lines used to be capable of full sync a few years ago.  In fact my good line used to sync at 100/30 when I was on Digital Region (council VDSL that went bankrupt) with zero crosstalk.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 12:43:21 PM by Alex Atkin UK »
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Re: Sync nowhere estimate
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »

Yeah that's why i said I know it's not an exact science.

Spoke to a manager, they're sending out the new hub, and agreed to send an SFI if it doesnt sort it.

Will update the thread (even just for my own records)

Cheers!
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Re: Sync nowhere estimate
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2020, 01:16:32 PM »

I had something like 120Mbps attainable according to the engineer who installed my first VDSL circuit. However, that was just about 8 years ago now. I get 68 on that same line and that is due to crosstalk (err by myself included, as I have 2 x VDSL's). Used to regularly get 80Mbit without too many problems.

I'm 600m from the cabinet (verified by OR)
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Re: Sync nowhere estimate
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2020, 03:52:21 PM »

Thanks for that, I know where the FTTC cab is, and it's not "far" i'm just not sure on the route it takes.

However at an attn of 12, it cant be that far... I know it's not an exact science but my sister has 200Meg over gfast on an attn of 18 haha.

G.Fast shows a completely different attenuation figure from VDSL2.
The reported G.Fast attenuation is usually considerably higher than the reported VDSL2 attenuation so the 2 shouldn't be compared.

I'd expect more than 55Mb with a 12dB attenuation on VDSL2 on most lines, but crosstalk is a lottery and someone always loses it big.

« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 04:14:10 PM by j0hn »
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