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Author Topic: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast  (Read 18277 times)

re0

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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2019, 08:03:08 PM »

March arrived and about half the pods I am aware of have been enabled and are now accepting orders. Infuriating as it is, mine is still not enabled. I am hoping that it will be within the next few weeks since most of the pods were attached within the same couple of months (though, I know quite right it means nothing).

Interestingly enough, addresses that are enabled are all showing Amber to my knowledge regardless of estimates.
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2019, 12:05:26 AM »

Oh God, I hate to hit my own thread up with what is essentially a non update in some regards. :-[

Still no enablement yet. Had some contact with OR, reckons only a few weeks since engineering works have now been completed. I have a feeling it will be the last to be enabled since the one down the road - despite being fitted a few months after - is already enabled.

It's sad that I will have to leave AAISP if I want G.fast once it becomes available because:
  • There is no plan to sell 330/50
  • The cost of £70pm for 2 TB with 160/30 speeds is a bit steep
  • 160/50 (which is just a butchered 330/50 package) will cost an additional £10pm
  • Min. 12 month term (understandable given what I presume is 12 month min. term from OR on G.fast, but this flexibility was a massive selling point for me on FTTC with A&A)

Looks like I will either jump on the Zen or IDNET ship - probably the former since cheaper activation, monthly cost (for 330/50, £7.81pm cheaper) and a "free" router.

How is Zen's IPv6 anyway, if someone could advise?
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2019, 09:21:25 AM »

There's me thinking £43 a month for unlimited 380/21 was a bit steep, £70 for less even if with AA is down right expensive in my mind.
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2019, 01:57:56 PM »

I understand how A&A is positioned in the market and its appeal to certain users. I think I am no longer it's target audience, at least when G.fast arrives.

I don't think 2TB is a terrible allowance, even at Ultrafast speeds I'd probably struggle to chew through more than a single TB under normal circumstances. But no 330 Mbps downstream, and with 50 Mbps upstream costing £80pm, it's £20pm more than the competition with 330/50 (well, it's not really so much competition due to different target audiences, I guess).
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2019, 08:52:56 AM »

I would have to agree with that too. That is a lot of money for G.Fast 160Mb.

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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2019, 02:21:11 PM »

Slightly unrelated, but I believe my FTTC cabinet may have had the capacity increased recently as it was full and a short while after OR came out it was back to available again. Though could be pure coincidence since people may have switched to ADSLx or ceased.

I know the cabinet had 6 line cards when it was plonked into place back in 2015, which I presume would be the standard 48 port (sadly can't really tell from the photo I have). I don't see a High Density upgrade, so I imagine they can just swap out the 48 for 64 port line cards these days?

Either way, it's starting to eat away at my margins :no::
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Max:    Upstream rate = 27040 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80777 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
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SNR (dB):        6.4             15.6
Attn(dB):        9.3             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.1           -6.2
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2019, 05:12:13 PM »

yeah I wouldnt pay £70 a month for hybrid copper.
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2019, 12:16:50 AM »

Oh God, I hate to hit my own thread up with what is essentially a non update in some regards. :-[

Still no enablement yet. Had some contact with OR, reckons only a few weeks since engineering works have now been completed. I have a feeling it will be the last to be enabled since the one down the road - despite being fitted a few months after - is already enabled.

It's sad that I will have to leave AAISP if I want G.fast once it becomes available because:
  • There is no plan to sell 330/50
  • The cost of £70pm for 2 TB with 160/30 speeds is a bit steep
  • 160/50 (which is just a butchered 330/50 package) will cost an additional £10pm
  • Min. 12 month term (understandable given what I presume is 12 month min. term from OR on G.fast, but this flexibility was a massive selling point for me on FTTC with A&A)

Looks like I will either jump on the Zen or IDNET ship - probably the former since cheaper activation, monthly cost (for 330/50, £7.81pm cheaper) and a "free" router.

How is Zen's IPv6 anyway, if someone could advise?

I don't currently use IPv6 on the LAN but I did for a while and had no issues with it, other than problems with specific clients on my LAN mainly my Android phone claiming no connectivity and Xbox One changing its UUID every reboot so I couldn't set the firewall correctly due to the IP address constantly changing.

I do have it still enabled on the router though, it uses IPv4 and IPv6 for DNS lookups.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2019, 12:29:37 AM by Alex Atkin UK »
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2019, 01:18:03 AM »

If you have a few moments and are able to enable it on LAN, could you give this a test? Would be much appreciated.

I get 18/20 on A&A - this is because my router is filtering ICMPv6 messages. Never really bothered to sort it since I have not noticed any issues. I could probably just add an ip6tables rule for it, but I would probably have to inform Billion to "fix" it in their firmware because I do not know if my ip6tables additions would be persistent (haven't checked).

Going back to the topic of G.fast, still not enabled. June is the best estimate I have been given, and will probably be true at this pace.

Still torn between Zen and IDNET. IDNET has QoS on the network and can give one month free if whole term paid in advance, but hefty activation fee. Zen is willing to waive the activation fee if I don't take their router (since I have 3 spare here, and would be 4 if I stopped using the 8800NL as a dedicated modem).
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2019, 02:55:01 AM »

Woohoo. G.fast is finally enabled on the cabinet. Clean estimates for downstream being 330 high and low with a handback of 330. :P Let's see how this alumin-... er... I mean copper can handle it.

Now... who to order with...? :-\
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2019, 05:41:56 PM »

handback of 330 suggests you pretty damn close to your cabinet, sub 50m?
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2019, 06:23:19 PM »

As the sig says, the line is about 190 meters. The clean handback is 330 Mbps!

Anyway, ordered with Zen. Maximum and Typical downstream rates estimated at 330 Mbps, with minimum speed guarantee being just a few meg under 250 Mbps. I have some doubts that the line will be capable of these speeds, but that's just the pessimism.
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2019, 10:54:33 PM »

re0 what is your Line attenuation (dB) in downstream for FTTC?
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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2019, 11:20:28 PM »

re0 what is your Line attenuation (dB) in downstream for FTTC?
Typically 9.3 dB.

And for all bands:
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  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  3.9     9.6     14.1     N/A     N/A    5.2     11.2    19.6   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  3.9     8.9     13.0     N/A     N/A    6.4     11.0    19.6   
SNR Margin(dB): 15.6 15.6 15.6   N/A   N/A 6.4 6.4 6.4
  TX Power(dBm): -20.6 -33.7 -6.3   N/A   N/A 9.8 7.5 7.2

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Re: Cabinet re-shell for G.fast
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2019, 11:35:59 PM »

Typically 9.3 dB.

And for all bands:
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  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  3.9     9.6     14.1     N/A     N/A    5.2     11.2    19.6   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  3.9     8.9     13.0     N/A     N/A    6.4     11.0    19.6   
SNR Margin(dB): 15.6 15.6 15.6   N/A   N/A 6.4 6.4 6.4
  TX Power(dBm): -20.6 -33.7 -6.3   N/A   N/A 9.8 7.5 7.2

Here is mine 11.5dB:

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VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 2.6 13.2 20.4 N/A N/A 6.8 15.8 26.2
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.6 13.4 19.8 N/A N/A 8.9 15.7 26.2
        SNR Margin(dB): 8.8 10.0 9.2 N/A N/A 6.4 6.0 6.0
         TX Power(dBm): -14.7 -29.9 -0.5 N/A N/A 7.9 7.8 7.1

Don't think my g.fast will be getting more than 220/30 ?
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