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konrado5

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Please allow me write
« on: August 02, 2018, 10:39:47 PM »

I don't understand why my threads are blocked. I don't force to reply. I have right to write my ideas.
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 10:48:20 PM »

Just take the hint and chill out on things man... making thread after thread is just going to get you banned, then no more discussing anything.

If everyone made thread after thread like this the SNR would be so low that useful discourse would be impossible... you must understand the need for moderation and that clearly you are flouting it by making new threads after previous ones are locked.

You clearly have a great interest in what is discussed here and there are precious few places to do it.... just chill out man!  ;D
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 10:50:58 PM »

But moderators forbid me to defence my theory and explaining why burakkucat and kitz are wrong in regards to my Hlog. Perhpas somebody who will register on this forum few years later will be interested in my discoveries. I battle against censorhip.
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 11:08:34 PM »

No we don't forbid you to defend your theory at all, there's hundreds of posts on this forum which prove otherwise.
The problem is you keep putting PRESSURE on certain people to respond even if they have nothing to say and this is when I have to step in because you do not see that you are putting certain people under duress to answer your posts.
 
Again and again we have been tolerant to your special needs - far more than most sites.   You've been asked several times over the past week to give it a rest but still you pursued the issue.  Over the past few years I have had to repeatedly step in because you were harassing other members to respond to your posts.

We have spent hours and hours trying to explain certain adsl aspects to you, but sadly if it's not what you want to hear then it gets repetitive.   Other members get frustrated.  B*cat alone has spent countless hours trying to explain and trying to help you and his rewards is constant pressure and demands for attention.   It is unfair to expect this and wears people down when there are plenty of others who need genuine help.    I myself stopped responding because I was losing the battle about tones being a guard band see here which you refused to believe until several years later you found out it was indeed the case.   It gets to the point where people feel they are wasting their breath simply because you're not getting the answers that you feel you want to hear.

You also blatantly ignored where I deleted a link to a self proclaimed pirate site and despite the explanation why I wont allow such links, you posted it again asking people to respond demanding their thoughts on the paper and god-damn it you ignored the fact I'd previously removed the link and posted it again and you were given a final warning.
   
Two days later I get a DCMA notice from Google and find out they have penalised this site as a direct result of your thread.    I now have to go through a  process of a counterclaim which I am not best pleased about, because this site has always fully complied with DCMA and now I have a black mark with Google.  Several forum members have also seen the DCMA penalty notification email rec'd last w/e and its not something I'm just making up for the sake of it. 

I don't think you have any idea of how much hard work you cause and time you take up.  B*cat has been extremely patient with you and I will not allow you to abuse his good nature any more. 

This is the final straw, despite being asked to leave it, you continued to open more and more threads saying you had a right to post.  No you don't - you need to obey the forum rules just like everyone else and you pushed the limits too far.  The rules are quite clear here.  I have had enough.     
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 08:40:22 PM »

This thread was one of a few which got sent to the mods recycle bin last night when Eric and I were both taking action at the same time & he wasn't aware I was also responding. 
 
It would have stayed there if it were not for the fact that I have since been made aware of a thread on another forum. threads complaining about his ban/censorship on several other forums.   

I've resurrected this thread as it perhaps explains questions asked elsewhere.   It doesn't take long to look at posting history to realise his claims are false.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 12:43:48 PM by kitz »
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Re: My ban on forum.kitz.co.uk is unfair
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2018, 03:41:41 PM »

Re:  My ban on forum.kitz.co.uk is unfair by Konrado5

I'm taking the unusual step to re-open this thread after it has come to my knowledge that Konrado5 is making numerous posts elsewhere about his perceived unfair treatment on these forums.

For the record, the amount of moderation required for Konrado been extremely time consuming.   We have tried our best to make allowances for his difficulties, but there comes a point when his behaviour is problematic for other members of this forum.

We have been more than fair towards Konrado, yet he has not been fair or considerate towards our other members.  Over the past 5 years, he has been demanding and insistent that people answer his posts.  He has disrupted other members threads and taken then off topic by talking about his hlogs.   Despite being asked not to Konrado continued to put pressure on certain people.  If they don't respond he would tag, or PM them.. or even email them to reply.   His posts have become exceedingly repetitive going round in circles over the same issue.  He has also been rude to other members by putting pressure on them to write diagnostic tools that work with his modem.

It was an explicit condition of Konrado's return after his last ban that he must not call out or put pressure on other members to answer his questions.   His quest for knowledge often involved finding a technical journal then expect one of the members here to interpret how they think it would apply to his line. 

Konrado claims that he has stopped his behaviour and that b*cat was interested which is why he kept tagging him.   However, what he fails to recognise is that for 5 years it has repeatedly been requested of him not to and that within a few weeks he will relapse back in to unacceptable behaviour.  See here for just how long this has been going on.  :(

His final ban was a cumulation of events that happened over the course of a few days.
  • Despite being told not to - twice Konrado tagged b*cat within a couple of days for which I had to step in.
  • Konrado5 caused considerable admin time by twice posting links to pirate sites even though it is against forum rules and he had been asked not to. The link was removed by admin 11/07/2018 but he re-added it on 26/07/2018 showing blatant disrespect of rules. [Ref. 1]
  • 26/07/2018 - Final warning issued to Konrado5 [Ref. 2]
  • 02/08/2018 - B*cat eventually responded to one of Konrado5's posts closing his own post with the sentence "I have nothing else to say on this subject. Please do not bring it up again." [Ref. 3]
  • Because history has shown, even when told "I don't know" or "nothing further to add" - he will still harass others for more info, so I locked the thread to draw it to a close to avoid further repetition
  • 02/08/2018 09:13 pm -  Konrado5 then opened another thread complaining that it was unfair to lock threads.  He failed to heed other members advising him to cease his behaviour & continued to push until that thread was also locked at 10:36 pm. [Ref. 4]
  • 02/08/2018 10:39 pm - Within 5 minutes Konrado5 opened yet another thread saying he had "a right to write his ideas on the forum."   This was the final straw.  [Ref. 5]
Regardless of what Konrado thinks, this is my forum, I pay the server costs...  and I have other members whom I have to consider too.  The rules are there to protect all members.  Konrado's behaviour towards others was not just unfair, but totally unacceptable. We are not here to be Konrado5's unpaid research assistants and he has been given ample opportunities to mend his ways.
   
Many times it has been suggested Konrado start his own blog about his hlogs / enters further education rather than expect others to spoon feed him / purchases the technical equipment such as a JDSU which would be able to run the diagnostics for him.
I doubt any other forum would have been as tolerant of Konrado's behaviour as what we have been.  He has already been banned on numerous other forums globally for far less than here.

Konrado5 is now on some form of vendetta posting on other broadband forums. Despite not even living in the UK, he even went to the extraordinary extent of joining my own (UK) ISP's member forum to complain about how he had been treated by me.
The reasons for his ban was clearly laid out and I fail to see how we could have been any fairer here.  I am continuing to receive emails (6 to date) from him.  I have responded twice that the matter is not up for debate or reconsideration.  The rest are being ignored.   

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TLDR; version.

We have been more than fair & considerate towards the OP.
OP's behaviour to other forum members was unfair. His behaviour was unreasonable. He had numerous warnings. He broke forum rules. He got banned.



[Moderator edit to amend typo in dates 2019 > 2018 & clarify 'he' = Konrado.]
« Last Edit: September 09, 2018, 11:51:20 AM by kitz »
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2018, 06:06:08 PM »

In response to his continual posting on the Thinkbroadband forums, when it has been made abundantly clear by various posters (including the forum moderators) that (a) they are not interested (b) the tbb forums are not the place to complain about being banned from other forums and (c) he needs to look elsewhere for the expert help he wants, I made the following post. (The post is here - you need an account on the tbb forums and to be logged in to read it.)



You have a particular oddity in your HLOG. It's likely that other people have different oddities. Has it not occurred to you that if these "oddities" don't affect their connection they couldn't care less? It just demonstrates that the VDSL spec. is working and delivering the best it can for each line.

The reason you don't get what you want from this forum and the many others you have posted on (and been banned from!) is that they are forums for end users.

I don't need to know and understand all the intricacies of the electronics in my car to drive it. All I need to know is that when I push the accelerator it goes with the performance it should and when I press the brake it stops. If it doesn't do those things I take it to the garage. They all now have sophisticated diagnostic equipment that plugs in to the engine management.

Time and time again you have been asked what affect the "oddity" is having on the actual performance of your line. At the point where people realise the answer is none they lose interest.

Your wanting to understand the "oddity" is an academic interest. To investigate the "oddities" of your line requires the use of sophisticated diagnostic equipment and deep analysis of the results. Comparing your HLOG with others isn't going to get you anywhere because every single actual VDSL line in the world is unique. At a superficial level they many look the same, but once you start to dig down to the level you require there will be differences. See http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/technical/t/4598054...

You are not going to find anyone that will give you answers on any forum for consumers. The Kitz forums are probably more technical than most and you were pushing beyond their level of knowledge. You then expected them to do the research for you. (It didn't help that when several people gave you answers in areas where they are competent, if it didn't fit your ideas you rejected them.) You won't get the answers you want on here. You won't get the answers you want on the ISPReview forums where you have recently started posting. You didn't get what you wanted from the Polish forums. All of them are consumer forums - there will not be anyone on them that has the level of knowledge, the resources, access to your line to attach diagnostic equipment and gather data, the time or indeed the interest to do what you want.

As you have been advised several times on here you need to get help from someone with deep technical knowledge, a researcher at a university or working within the DSLAM, router etc. industry. That is likely to cost you. If you can't afford it that is not a justification for pleading you can't afford it and continuing to post on consumer orientated forums.

Finally, I will say that Kitz only bans people with great reluctance, especially when it is known that the person has mental issues. Kitz has made considerable allowances and been incredibly tolerant of the disruption you have caused over a number of years. Many of us don't understand why you were not banned long ago. The final straw was when you ignored the moderation and your posts resulted in actual damage to the site's reputation with Google. That took a considerable amount of extra (and totally unnecessary) effort by Kitz to resolve.

Your posting on here to complain about the Kitz forums and on ISPReview to do the same has only hardened Kitz's resolve, in both cases it has been made clear by the respective moderators that their forums do not exist for you to complain about another forum. You also posted on the Plusnet Community forums (I've seen the screen shots) to complain about your treatment by Kitz. I would describe that effort as being purely vindictive and indicative of some serious personal issues. The Plusnet moderators had the sense to immediately ban you and totally remove your posts.

You are NEVER going to be allowed back on to the Kitz forums - face up to that. You also need to accept that you won't find the answers on here and it is even less likely you will find the answers on ISPReview.

Edit: Correction of typos
« Last Edit: September 08, 2018, 06:26:46 PM by jelv »
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Re: My ban on forum.kitz.co.uk is unfair
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2018, 12:37:31 AM »

It was an explicit condition of his return after his last ban that he must not call out or put pressure on other members to answer his questions.   His quest for knowledge often involved finding a technical journal then expect one of the members here to intpret how they think it would apply to his line. 

He claims that he has stopped his behaviour and that b*cat was interested which is why he kept tagging him.   However, what he fails to recognise is that for 5 years it has repeatedly been requested of him not to and that within a few weeks he will relapse back in to unacceptable behaviour.  I will attach below proof of this.

I really can not see any way that we could have made it clearer or been more fair. It has been a constant battle of him relapsing back to unreasonable behaviour towards others.  :(  There comes a point when we have to take action for the sake of the sanity of other forum members.

Quote from: Kitz
Wed 27/11/2013 00:17

I am considering your request [after conferring with other mods], but I must ask that

1.  If you donít get an answer to any of your questions, you must not PM members asking them to reply.   In the UK it is considered rude.  Most of the forum members have other jobs and things to do, so they donít always get to replying straight away.

2.  Please donít ask the same questions repeatedly, it gets annoying.  We will always try to help if we can, but there are some things which we just donít know.

3. Also please don't is jump in on someone else's thread with questions about your own line.   This makes it confusing for people to decide what reply is to which person - particularly if there are 2 different sets of line stats.

4. Finally adsl is much of an unknown, it is subject to many variances of SNR and attenuation.  Its normal for these figures to change and small changes donít mean that there is a line fault.  Although we would all love a perfect line, more often than not it doesnít happen :(

Quote from: Kitz
Wed 13/08/2014 12:05

The ban was placed because of constant similar & repetitive questions.  We have made numerous allowances because of your illness but it had got to the point whereby it was annoying other forum members.  We asked you to cease, but you continued to argue with Eric in that thread.
We feel that we have been as fair as we can to all sides and have actually been far more tolerant than other forums would be. We do not take banning lightly and its something we seldom resort to.

Secondly, you have repeatedly been asked to refrain from calling out and PMing forum members.  You have been advised numerous times that it puts members under pressure to answer questions.
You have also been advised in the past that burakkucat is too polite to turn down your requests for more information and you wrongly believe that he wants to reply to all of your constant questions.
You also wrongly assume that it is the moderators that forbid him to respond.  B*cat is entirely free to respond if he wishes, but as he often says, he has no answers. Keep firing questions at him is making him feel under pressure when he feels he has already exhausted his knowledge. If no-one answers it is because they either donít know or are too exasperated to respond.

Both B*cat and myself have spent a huge amount of time answering your questions but unfortunately you seem to get hooked up on some of the small stuff without being able to see the broader picture.   Eric had clearly warned you several times when the questions got too much and annoying to other members - as I also had before on numerous occasions.  Arguing with the moderators isnít the way to avoid any ban.   Unfortunately you don't appear to understand the concept of forum etiquette and as such we have have to place a permanent ban -  which you were warned numerous times we would do if you didn't cease your behaviour which had become annoying to other forum members.


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Thu 14/08/2014 23:37

Firstly let me recap what happened last week.
Eric asked you to leave the question because others were finding it repetitive.  You ignored Eric's warning and as such he issued you with a two week ban.  You continued to argue with Eric and for this I placed a permanent ban.

The kitz forums are very proud of the fact that we have a pleasant community whereby so many members try to help & discuss with all things related to broadband. We are family orientated and the atmosphere is generally friendly when compared to most online communities.  It is seldom that we have to take moderation and we have tried to make allowances for your condition. Because we are a community we also have to take into account the needs of all members and if one person annoys the majority then we have to take action.

When we do take action then we cannot back down on this.  This is not because of your condition, but because all members must know that once the limits have been crossed then we will take action.  Without this moderation in place, the forum would become chaotic.

However as a compromise I have spoken with both Eric and b*cat and we have agreed that after a period of one month your ban will expire.   This is on the express condition that

1) You keep posts about your line to one thread.  It is ok to start a new thread if you find some interesting information or papers, but if you want to know how it relates to your line, then take that back to your thread.
2) You must not PM members for more information, nor call them out *
3) A further breach of these rules or annoying other members will result in an immediate permanent ban that will not be revoked.



* In case there is a difficulty with language interpretation I will clarify 'call out'.  This is when you name someone in another thread asking them to look at a post you have made elsewhere.  Whilst I appreciate that the above is not strictly a forum rule, it is bad etiquette when you do this too often.  It had begun to put certain forum members under pressure to answer your questions and it became tiresome for all.

B*cat has assured me that he does see all of your posts and if he doesn't respond it is because he feels he has nothing further to add or that the topic has become exhausted.  You've previously been advised that b*cat is very polite and will always help when he can, but please do not pester members to the point of annoyance. I ask that you respect people give their time freely and we will always try to help when they can.

If you confirm that the above has your agreement, then the ban will automatically expire after 30 days




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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2018, 03:27:55 PM »

I have received a PM from Konrado5 on the thinkbroadband forums:

Quote from: konrado5
Could you paste my apologies in this thread?
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22116.0.html

Apologies are in this post.
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/park/t/4600528-my-technical-knowledge-is-underestimated.html

This is the apology post he has referred to:

I have to admit that after reading this reply of kitz several times I understood her point of view.
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22116.msg38...
I acknowledge that my behaviour have been unacceptable (despite I haven't realized it). I understand kitz has locked this thread because she thought I will still harass burakkucat for more information.
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22097.0.html
I also understand that my creating of threads with complain that it was unfair to lock thread was unacceptable. I should rather politely ask about reason of locking of threads.

In conclusion, I sincerely apologize kitz and other forum users and accept ban.
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2018, 06:46:21 PM »

Quote from: Konrado5
I have to admit that after reading this reply of kitz several times I understood her point of view.
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22116.msg38...
I acknowledge that my behaviour have been unacceptable (despite I haven't realized it). I understand kitz has locked this thread because she thought I will still harass burakkucat for more information.
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22097.0.html
I also understand that my creating of threads with complain that it was unfair to lock thread was unacceptable. I should rather politely ask about reason of locking of threads.

In conclusion, I sincerely apologize kitz and other forum users and accept ban.


Thank you. 
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Re: Please allow me write
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 03:59:28 PM »

A further PM received:

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Thank you. Could you also mention about my Asperger syndrome as some justification of my behaviour ?
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