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Author Topic: AA congestion report  (Read 1176 times)

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AA congestion report
« on: July 11, 2018, 06:31:47 AM »

Regarding AAs internal congestion report table, I am just being thick here - I don't understand the numbers in the 24-hour and non-premium columns. Presumably 24-hour means all lines, not just non-premium ones, so the figure in the 24-hour coulumn should be some error_count  divided by a larger n_premium_lines ?
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2018, 06:41:36 AM »

interestingly aaisp rate limit non premium lines if there is congestion, I didnt know that but I am fine with it.  I guess similar to enta's old ALT system or whatever it was called but in smaller increments.

The unerrored seconds is if they drop a packet if they do it counts as an errored second, so isnt related to DSL errors. Its across their network.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2018, 09:54:01 AM »

Can you provide a link showing where AA rate limit non-premium customers please? I'm aware that, in common with BT Wholesale, they preserve premium marked traffic over non-premium but this isn't rate limiting.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2018, 12:09:05 PM »

Isn't most of what they do optimising the use of individual lines? If the line is being saturated by huge downloads things like VoIP need to be prioritised.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2018, 03:14:30 PM »

What I don't understand is the relationship between those two columns.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2018, 02:04:29 AM »

Non premium is when packets are dropped due to congestion on non premium lines, Errored seconds is when packets are dropped on their network.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 02:05:33 AM »

Can you provide a link showing where AA rate limit non-premium customers please? I'm aware that, in common with BT Wholesale, they preserve premium marked traffic over non-premium but this isn't rate limiting.

from the link weaver provided

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We also rate limit non-premium lines in gradual increments to manage the capacity.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2018, 10:05:37 AM »

Thank you. Interesting.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2018, 11:30:30 PM »

But I don't understand how those fractions can be correct if the group of users is smaller? Do you see the problem re my first post? Tell me if I am just being mad.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 12:33:35 AM »

They don't divide error count by users, this is not a user facing metric, it's on interconnects so user count irrelevant?

That's the proportion of the respective time periods when congestion was seen.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2018, 02:39:40 AM »

Sorry, I should not have said users in my first post, I  should have said lines. I am not understanding. They have to count which lines are premium and which are not and since the number of premium lines is less than the total number of lines then that is why I cannot make the fractions fit for the last 14 days row. Does anyone else see what I am seeing? remember that I am full to the eyeballs with drugs so please bear with me if I have got everything backwards, but on one row the inequality is one way around, while on another row it is the opposite way around, yet the one data set, premium, is a subset of the other, the total.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2018, 03:45:08 AM »

If it is any concellation I dont understand the chart either.  :lol: One thing I did take away from a quick glance is that TTB looks a more reliable network than BT.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2018, 04:09:15 AM »

Thank you banger, I thought I was going mad. still could well be anyway, regardless.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2018, 07:46:12 AM »

If it is any concellation I dont understand the chart either.  :lol: One thing I did take away from a quick glance is that TTB looks a more reliable network than BT.

I read it as A&A need to increase their BT backhaul rather than whether one network is more reliable than another.
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Re: AA congestion report
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2018, 05:00:14 PM »

I took that link and tried to see if I could understand what it shows. Unfortunately I can not understand it.  ???

I make the observation that it originates from A&A and, therefore, must be right. (A Felis catus, such as I, has no right to understand the workings of such superior minds.)
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