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Author Topic: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband  (Read 62062 times)

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #105 on: February 22, 2020, 10:25:05 AM »

Does anyone know which locations may be covered with this trial?
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2020, 05:35:04 PM »

Does anyone know which locations may be covered with this trial?

We literally know nothing about how the trial will work.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2020, 11:41:02 PM »

Bob Pullen's said that PN is applying for the trial but no promises.   
There's a thread on the PN forum where people who are interested are putting down their names.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2020, 07:20:23 AM »

Wow, do you know if other providers do something similar? I'm with ee at the moment, will need to check their forum.

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Asked on ee forum, they didn't even know about trial....  :o
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2020, 01:32:36 PM »

Edit,
Asked on ee forum, they didn't even know about trial....  :o

No surprise that front line support don't know about these things.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first Bob Pullen knew about the trial was when it was raised on the Plusnet forum.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2020, 06:52:19 PM »

Did AA get anything back from BT yet?

This is going to bring a lot of happiness to long, long suffering people. In fact what has it been, five years ?

I havent heard anything, but that doesnt mean they havent heard anything, as there maybe NDA's etc.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2020, 06:59:49 PM »

I understood it was by cab, therefore if a cab is enabled is it then broken down by ISP and then even by user ? In the last trial I think it went out across most if not all ISP,s
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2020, 08:25:43 PM »

G.inp roll out was a 2 step process and was nationwide
   
1) Cab software update and set new DLM profile option.
Once all cabs were updated
2) G.inp applied to individual line's DLM profile.
Those updates were done in batches - not specific to cab or ISP - but it took a while, due to the large number of lines which needed updating. 

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Trials are usually done on an ISP realm basis and ISPs are invited to opt in to any trials that they wish to participate in.
AIUI there may be a couple of different types of trial.
  • All their customer's on a particular product are put forward as being available for the trial.
    - In some trials, Openreach may not actually apply what ever they are testing to all lines and [half?] may be monitored as a control group.
  • Some trials may be on a smaller scale and more limited.
    - For these types of trial the SP is invited to give a list of lines to Openreach and these are usually conducted on ISP staff lines.

In this particular instance all of the cabs will already be loaded with all the new profile.   The DSLAM has lots of different profiles which it can apply to a line.
When it comes to DLM, the ISP selects the default profile used at the DSLAM ie speed/standard/stable/custom...  so those who are trialling will simply be moved over to a new custom test profile.   
 

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2020, 09:40:45 PM »

Does that mean that lines will go on interleave once they switch profile or g.inp will just kick in.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2020, 03:14:57 PM »

They are likely to be testing the entire system, so I would expect initially interleaving, followed by g.inp if the DLM see's fit to do the switch.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2020, 11:04:12 PM »

Excellent news, looking forward to regaining G.INP, hopefully this time for good!
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #116 on: February 27, 2020, 09:36:23 AM »

Spoke with ee staff, they still wasn't able to confirm if ee opt in for trial, however they asked me for my details and they told me that if ee will be in the trial they will try to put me in.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2020, 07:08:52 PM »

I’m sure from previous trials that the number of lines will be relatively small. Perhaps a slightly better odds than winning the lottery but perhaps not that much  ;D
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2020, 11:06:39 PM »

I personally think that if ISP will chose volunteers they can expect decent feedback, as I believe these who want to be included in trial they are prepared for it so at least we will not have a problem with incompatible equipment  ;)
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #119 on: February 28, 2020, 10:23:24 AM »

 :'(

I outlined their usual methods of trials above.  This is trialling 100k ECI lines via ISP opt in.

As mentioned above in both this thread and the other thread.. this usually means that the ISP offers their userbase as whole who are on certain products.  Standard procedure is:

 - The ISP emails the named contact in the briefing saying they wish to opt in.   
 - Openreach then [randomly] selects how many circuits they wish to use from that ISP's user-base.   
 - The ISP can then if they wish ask Openreach to provide them with a list which lines have been selected to be on the trial. 
 - The ISP can vet this list and ask Openreach to make adjustments.

Occasionally smaller trials are conducted of say just a few hundred lines and in those cases the ISP gets to put forward certain circuits they select, which are usually ISP staff lines.     

In view of the fact of the numbers involved for the trial and that it says it is ISP opt in, indicates to me that it is Openreach random selection from those ISPs which offer to opt in.   This is why I said ~2 weeks ago that it may be a waste of time asking your ISP to put your line forward if it's an ISP opt in trial. 

This isn't a particularly small trial - in fact its probably a good chunk of all ECI lines.    I haven't a clue how many ECI lines there are.  Last I heard there were ~8k cabs in 2013 and they mostly stopped installing ECI's after 2014.. but lets go wild by saying there are 10k ECI cabs and each DSLAM is mostly full, then that is 200k ECI lines.
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