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Author Topic: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband  (Read 62069 times)

ktz392837

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2018, 01:37:39 PM »

Whenever an ECI GINP thread is updated I hope it someone posting details of the new rollout.  I do not why I torture myself like this!
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2018, 09:40:46 AM »

Totally agree, it's getting to be the case that Openreach look like they've given up on the ECI front.
They claim the last firmware they tested worked except on a very few routers which still had problems.
So why don't they update the cabs with this firmware, turn G.INP back on & wait to see who moans.
They can then send out replacement routers to these few impacted customers.
Considering how much they charge for the service, a few free routers wouldn't break the bank.
 
Instead they're now torturing us with the G.FAST rollout (or lack of).
They install the street pods but then leave them idle for months.
My exchange still isn't online but the pods were installed almost 6 months ago.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 10:13:45 PM by smallal »
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2018, 10:31:56 AM »

I don't know if my cab is exactly the same but they left it on, Openreach decided to turn it off to not get calls from people with incapable modems. But 2-3 years later (is it, lazy to check) there wouldn't be as many incapable modems. They don't care.
Also, upstream G.INP on ECI was never enabled for anyone on FTTC (at least, it has remained off due to incapable hardware). This proves ECI cabs have no hope except swapping hardware for that, and this makes me doubt firmwares on the cab itself will fix downstream G.INP for "all modems" [the ones that otherwise work perfectly on Huawei cabs], including all the modems still running with outdated firmware.
Of course they only care about themselves, people with power are even less forced to be good.

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Stats recorded 26 Jun 2018 12:34:47

DSLAM type / SW version: IFTN:0xb206 (178.6) / v0xb206
Modem/router firmware:  AnnexA version - A2pv6F039x1.d26a
DSL mode:                VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                  Showtime
Uptime:                  4 days 5 hours 48 min 53 sec
Resyncs:                0 (since 26 Jun 2018 12:34:43)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  10.8 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 44880 3455
SNR margin (dB):        25.3 19.3
Power (dBm):            -14.8 -15.0
Interleave depth:        1 55
INP:                    44.00 2.00
G.INP:                  Enabled Not enabled
Vectoring status:        5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)

RSCorr/RS (%):          0.0001 0.1095
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour:                0 0

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They claim the last firmware they tested worked except on a very few routers which still had problems.
The same excuse like before. The key word is they don't care because people are "forced" to use their cabs anyway.

I imagine "all of" the other ECI cabs in Israel have G.INP enabled. I'm only using VDSL since August 2017 though, but this thread shows it was enabled in 2017: https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hometheater.co.il%2Fvt271090.html
« Last Edit: June 26, 2018, 12:34:42 PM by spring »
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2018, 01:11:58 PM »

That Israeli ISP may not be exclusively using ECI kit, or may be using different ECI kit.

The 1st post that shows G.INP enabled had it on both Downstream/Upstream.

The ECI M41 DSLAM used in the UK doesn't support upstream G.INP.

The Israeli user on these forums connected to the same ECI DSLAM we use in the UK only has G.INP on the downstream.

edit: you, half asleep lol.

They may have a mix of M41's and V41's or might also use other vendors. Very unlikely they are all M41's.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2018, 01:15:57 PM by j0hn »
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spring

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2018, 01:22:37 PM »

My cab was installed in 2015, but is there a way to check what model it is?

Do some modems not work if upstream G.INP is enabled? Or it automatically adapts to incapable modems [unlike on downstream G.INP]?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2018, 01:24:49 PM by spring »
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2018, 02:04:52 PM »

adsl info --vendor

Shows the vendor and the DSLAM firmware.
Yours matches the UK ECI DSLAM firmware numbers.

If the modem supports downstream G.INP only and the DSLAM supports both then only downstream will be enabled.**

Your modem supports both up/down G.INP but only down is enabled on the upstream. This fits with your ECI DSLAM only supporting downstream G.INP.

** During the Huawei G.INP rollout modems that didn't support upstream G.INP caused problems where very high interleaving was enabled. OpenReach did a bit of a fudge to fix this (aka G.INP mk2).
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2018, 01:01:54 AM »

So why they don't they update the cabs with this firmware, turn G.INP back on & wait to see who moans.
They can then send out replacement routers to these few impacted customers.
Considering how much they charge for the service, a few free routers wouldn't break the bank.


My guess is the argument is between openreach and the CPs is who will pay for these new modems or some other issue that has financial implications.  There is likely some kind of standoff somewhere on how to deal with these few problem end users, hence no rollout.

If openreach enforced a modem lock down then they wouldnt be in this position.  Although they would also be liable to switch out modems they issued that are incompatible.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2018, 02:39:17 PM »

Someone on the BT forums is reporting downstream G.INP on an ECI cab. Nothing confirmed though.

https://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Fibre-broadband/BT-Home-Hub-6-amp-G-INP-On-ECI-Cabinets/m-p/1886317#M277443
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2018, 03:07:03 PM »

Interesting but I'll not hold my breath. I do have access to a modem on an ECI cabinet, so will keep an eye on the stats.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2018, 04:59:20 PM »

I have been hoping that BTOR had continued to work on this but I have to agree I am not getting my hopes up until we get some unofficial news from the VIP forum members who may know more or if more people start to report Ginp being enabled.  If Ginp is enabled hopefully 3db will follow.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 05:02:30 PM by ktz392837 »
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2018, 04:56:14 PM »

Neither of my lines are reporting G.INP at the moment, however I will say the following as it may bear some importance.

Recently both of my lines went down simultaneously around just after midnight, at the time I thought it was just a simple connection loss of some type. However, looking at the upstream stats I can see that the DSLAM appears to have been rebooted, I say this because my upstream all-time stat counters are pretty much reset. It's possible that a change or firmware update was applied perhaps, but obviously I can't confirm this. It's highly unusual for a DSLAM to be rebooted however.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2018, 05:02:16 PM »

Very interesting - I'll keep an eye on the ECI connected modem I have access to.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2018, 12:44:39 PM »

Neither of my lines are reporting G.INP at the moment, however I will say the following as it may bear some importance.

Recently both of my lines went down simultaneously around just after midnight, at the time I thought it was just a simple connection loss of some type. However, looking at the upstream stats I can see that the DSLAM appears to have been rebooted, I say this because my upstream all-time stat counters are pretty much reset. It's possible that a change or firmware update was applied perhaps, but obviously I can't confirm this. It's highly unusual for a DSLAM to be rebooted however.

The 1312-B10A I'm now using reports this:

DSLAM type / SW version:   IFTN:0xd086 (208.134) / v0xd086

Is the "(208.134)" the firmware version? Be interesting to see if anyone has a different version.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2018, 12:56:35 PM »

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DSLAM type / SW version: IFTN:0xb206 (178.6) / v0xb206
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2018, 01:05:39 PM »

DSLAM type / SW version:   IFTN:0xb206 (178.6) / v0xb206
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